We need a benchmark that tests a models ability to do LLM research.
If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know
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#212It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…
It's becoming extremely important to support open-source AI, especially legally. Anthropic is willing to go totalitarian this quickly; imagine how much worse they'd be willing to do with government-granted monopolies that ban open-source competition (like they've repeatedly pursued).
It's a little shocking and gruesome how quickly they're willing to tip their hand. They want to replace all software engineering with their own product, and then silently kill anyone making competing software. What other products will they launch in the future? Better hope you aren't in a space they want into: they'll cut your legs out from under you.
Oh, and training on your data from the internet? Ha ha. Terms of service apply to other people, not them. Parasites.
Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know
#213It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…
I don't see it as a ladder at all, unless you claim Anthropic built their own models by training off of other closed frontier models, violating those models' ToS
They trained their models on everyone's data on the internet, and certainly violated many website terms of service.
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see it as a ladder at all, unless you claim Anthropic built their own models by training off of other closed frontier models, violating those models' ToS
They trained their models on everyone's data on the internet, and certainly violated many website terms of service.
that option is still available to everyone
to be clear, I'm not saying what they did in scraping to learn was ethical. It wasn't. But I just don't see it as pulling the ladder. The ladder is still there.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you pretty obviously didn't understand it, at least in the sense of ASI being talked about. The whole "oh don't buy it" stops mattering. Humans are no longer the sole creators of information and intelligence. That is AI no longer has to steal, but humans will have to beg, borrow, or steal the information/products that ASI creates.
That's not going to happen.
Convincing argument, you win this one.
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#216It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)
Bad for society
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#217Given the high rate of false positives people are reporting for the non-silent cybersecurity, biological, etc., safeguards, there is a strong likelihood that you will encounter silently nerfed behavior even if you are _not_ violating their TOS. Ultimately this will be evident in the way customers / external benchmarkers experience Fable. Hopefully competition will drive future models toward a lower false positive rat…
It's such an obviously bad policy, it's mind-boggling that they thought this was a good idea. It just breeds paranoia and mistrust, especially when people are already a bit paranoid about silent model quantification for cost cutting reasons.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Demand open source approve licenses for LLM weights. How would you solve, for instance, the problem in which AI models are capable of helping the average person build viruses (computer or human)? "YOLO" is not a reasonable answer here. I am a massive advocate of Open Source, and have been for 25+ years. These things should not exist, open or otherwise.
Presumably by making it "difficult enough" to misuse the tools. We don't need perfect censorship or surveillance. There are all sorts of things that are technically possible today but typically aren't an issue in practice due to some oftey fairly minor hurdles. Aum literally synthesized sarin in the 90s so clearly it's doable yet in practice it doesn't seem to be a problem that crops up regularly. Anyone with a bache…
And how exactly do you propose making it "difficult enough"?
Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
They trained their models on everyone's data on the internet, and certainly violated many website terms of service.
that option is still available to everyone to be clear, I'm not saying what they did in scraping to learn was ethical. It wasn't. But I just don't see it as pulling the ladder. The ladder is still there.
I don’t know if you’ve tried to scrape or programmatically download a lot of websites recently! It’s not possible to repeat their data collection process anymore.