Depending on which vinyl you're talking about. I care very little about big names signed to big corpo - they can do whatever they want to their vinyl. There are plenty of indi/underground artists releasing both on vinyl and tampe, who succumbed to nothing, but are alive and well actually. Check bandcamp more often for clues, should you disagree.
Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
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Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you ask your friend for $100 for no particular reason, just because you want $100, that's an annoying request and "no" is a reasonable response. It's not putting a price on your relationship. It's technically the same answer they'd give a stranger, but that doesn't mean you're being treated like a stranger. (I do think a slight discount often makes sense just because a friend is probably quicker and easier to deal…
That's the thing. This was a $3000 camera. A 20% friends discount is 600. We've been best friends for two decades, but most days he doesn't give me $600 on cash. Don't get me wrong, we don't keep track who paid for dinner or cinema ticket or whatever. But there IS a threshold at which it really becomes a random cash gift. Yes dealing with friends is nicer than strangers - but also when you're selling stuff, sometimes…
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#213I've been collecting physical music my whole life and there were times that I tried to get everything on CD, times I tried to get everything on vinyl, times I've tried to go fully digital, and the pattern I've fallen into now in my late 30s is buying music on whatever medium was popular when it came out. I've now got a pretty mixed collection of records, tapes, CDs, digital music, and even a rockbox modded ipod. An a…
I like this idea, it's a bit like retro gaming with the original games/consoles/controllers instead of emulating things.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mathematically that's absolutely true. Emotionally, it feels different. It's fascinating to see downright angry gut reactions! A few years ago my friend was selling his expensive camera on Kijiji. I asked him to sell it to me for slightly less as a friendly discount. He told me that's the same as just randomly one day giving me a wad of cash, so why would he do that?? I thought he's crazy and was a little bit offende…
Usually you give your friends a friendly discount because it saves the hassle from advertising, packing, etc. and also your friends return the favor. But I would never sell something expensive to a friend, period. There be dragons.
If I want a thing gone, for whatever reason I want that to happen, then I want it gone. I never want to see it again.
When I get rid of a thing with eBay or Craigslist or FB Marketplace or whatever this decade's thing is, or with a dumpster, then it is gone from my life. It will never resurface.
But friends have a habit of bringing things back. Whether it's "Hey, remember that camera you gave me?" or "Hey, my old lady is kicking me out -- can I store some shit in your garage [like these four giant rackmount Elo touchscreens that I wouldn't let you bin two years ago]?", things given to friends have a bad habit of coming back 'round.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now, yes, but in the 90s/00s the alternative to CDs was cassette tapes, which were both inferior audio quality and took up more space. CD players in cars were a very desirable feature back then. At my peak in the mid-00s I remember counting and finding I had just over 500 CDs in my car, almost all of which were MP3s burnt to playable CD-Rs laying in the passenger seat... the good old days. Nice thing about using CD-R…
Cassettes were great, though. They could pile up, unprotected, in the center console or find their way under the seat and be fine. That pile might have everything from your mom's Vivaldi tape to the MC5 bootleg you got from your older brother. Sick of listening to whatever's in the deck right now? Just rummage through them without looking using the gear-shift hand and hold one up in an instant without taking eyes ver…
lolno those things were a finicky failure prone analog nightmare.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#216Are there any known ways to undo the compression? Assuming no clipping, the process should be reversible, right?
These tools are most useful when used earlier in the process. Like when you just tracked an amazing vocal take, but the gain was too hot on one or two notes. The tools can mitigate some of the distortion artifacts to make it more usable. Applying these tools to complex material like a full mix will have some improvements, but at that stage there's less guarantee for convincing restoration of the record.
What I think non-professionals don't understand is that a record that is characterized by heavy compression is not something that happened at the very end with the mastering stage. It is an aesthetic choice that was made dozens of times along the way while recording, arranging, and mixing. Heavy compression is not necessarily a bad thing. Lots of amazing-sounding records harness it well. It's an art AND a craft. It takes audio engineers and producers years to do it well and with taste.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you need the original mix to remaster it yourself. If you just amplify the whole track until its max amplitude reaches the medium's maximum, yes you could undo that. But the loudness war aims to make the whole track even louder than that , by quietening those max peaks so they don't clip, then that gives you room to amplify the rest of the track even further. The dynamic range of the recording is permanently redu…
people said "it's impossible to separate tracks (voice, bass, ...) after they are mixed". true in theory, but neural-networks can separate them in practice same here, but there is no real market for somebody to bother yet
and true in practice too. what you get out of an ai demuxer isn't an exact match for what went into the mix. it's a plausible approximation, much like ai upscalers, upsamplers, colorizers, and such.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of them, compared to over ear monitors. You can't out engineer physics advantages of a larger speaker. Airpods fall short of other in ear monitors too fwiw, so they are a poor choice in class.
There is no such thing as over the ear monitoring. There good headphones like HD600. It has good mids and great highs, however the base rolls off towards 20hz. Many AirPods, include AirPod Pro 2 have better low end than what people use for monitoring, which is what, by the way? I play electric guitar, and use different types of audio equipment, and I really wouldn’t care if I use BD DT770 for tracking, despite the fa…
Uhh, what? You go into any recording studio its is probably going to have a set of mdrv6 or mdr7506. Most of what you listen to are probably mixed and mastered with these same cans and its been that way with these same cans for like 4 decades now.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the thing. This was a $3000 camera. A 20% friends discount is 600. We've been best friends for two decades, but most days he doesn't give me $600 on cash. Don't get me wrong, we don't keep track who paid for dinner or cinema ticket or whatever. But there IS a threshold at which it really becomes a random cash gift. Yes dealing with friends is nicer than strangers - but also when you're selling stuff, sometimes…
I guess friendship means different things to different people. I've had friends spot me plenty more than $600 and I've spent thousands on friends in return. I can't imagine having such an indifferent attitude towards someone I care about.
Declining to give you $600 out of the blue because you'd rather have more money is not being indifferent.
Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)
#220It's a weird social psychology quirk. For whatever reason, the entire music industry has been captured by the delusion that mixing all the sounds louder is good. No one likes it, except for those guys. For reasons I'll never understand, the movie industry has been captured by the opposite delusion; they're going to pump dynamic range so high that you can only understand about half the dialogue in the movie. And of co…
> No one likes it, except for those guys. This is anecdotal at best; "those guys" will be using hard data just like tech bros with ecommerce sites do, and the data does not lie. Compression sells better than high dynamic range else they would have stopped. This is true for every "nobody likes this" statement people make on the internet about things that are commercially successful nevertheless. Big phones (as someone…
When people listen to two pieces of audio they generally prefer the louder of the two. That doesn't mean they want you to turn up the volume dial for them. They can adjust the volume dial themselves, and if everything gets louder they'll turn down the volume dial to compensate.