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Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

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Which is why it's so bizarre that CDs are generally less dynamic than vinyl. There's no technical reason that should be the case.

CDs were most commonly played in cars on the loud highway

Huh? CDs are a poor fit in cars to the point that the ten disc changer in the trunk was a thing. To avoid the inevitable damage from swapping them.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#182

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Why the snark? Who expects high quality audio from AM radio?

i didn't read that as snark. they're just saying compressors were/are used to maximize the broadcast range of a source over AM radio. without them, the broadcast range is shorter, which means fewer people hear the ads on the radio show, which means fewer dollars for the radio station producing or broadcasting the show.

Sure, but that has nothing to do with the mastering of physical media, and is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#183

I've been collecting physical music my whole life and there were times that I tried to get everything on CD, times I tried to get everything on vinyl, times I've tried to go fully digital, and the pattern I've fallen into now in my late 30s is buying music on whatever medium was popular when it came out. I've now got a pretty mixed collection of records, tapes, CDs, digital music, and even a rockbox modded ipod. An a…

I like this idea, it's a bit like retro gaming with the original games/consoles/controllers instead of emulating things.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#184
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> I am not insane so I did not spend $1300 on a used vinyl record, I found mine for $2 at Goodwill. How is holding onto it instead of selling it for $1300 any less insane than buying it for $1300 in the first place?

Even if you think in purely transactional terms like "asset currently worth $1300", what's wrong with holding onto an asset? Especially one that's likely to appreciate, not depreciate, as long as you look after it carefully. And in the meantime, you get to enjoy owning it.

This is the psychological basis of capitalism: we enjoy owning things.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#186

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CDs were most commonly played in cars on the loud highway

Huh? CDs are a poor fit in cars to the point that the ten disc changer in the trunk was a thing. To avoid the inevitable damage from swapping them.

Now, yes, but in the 90s/00s the alternative to CDs was cassette tapes, which were both inferior audio quality and took up more space. CD players in cars were a very desirable feature back then.

At my peak in the mid-00s I remember counting and finding I had just over 500 CDs in my car, almost all of which were MP3s burnt to playable CD-Rs laying in the passenger seat... the good old days. Nice thing about using CD-Rs is you didn't have to care about them getting scratched, either.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#187

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CDs were most commonly played in cars on the loud highway

Huh? CDs are a poor fit in cars to the point that the ten disc changer in the trunk was a thing. To avoid the inevitable damage from swapping them.

alternatively, there was such a market desire for CDs in the car that the ten disc changer in the trunk was a thing.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#189

I thought the loudness war was over? This was a hot topic for many years in the music production community. Sad to see it still persists. Especially since the answer to any loudness problem is to simply for the user to turn up the volume.

The loudness war in the strict "we must compress and slam everything as much as possible to make our stuff sound good on the radio" sense is over thanks to Spotify et al doing loudness normalization, but there's still an open question of "how much compression does sound good?" which is extremely subjective. A lot of modern music is louder than peak loudness war stuff just because the creators want their music to be slammed to shit. I listen to/make aggressive bass music and -5, -4, -3 LUFS are common. (By comparison, some of the common examples of loudness war era CDs like Definitely Maybe and Californication sit between -8 and -6 LUFS.)

> Especially since the answer to any loudness problem is to simply for the user to turn up the volume.

This isn't quite true as compression addresses differences in volume. Unless you expect the listener to actively turn up the volume during the quiet parts and down during the loud parts of your song, or be listening in a completely quiet environment with nothing but the music so they can appreciate the dynamics--which is the way a lot of vinyl aficionados do listen to music.

Re: Vinyl succumbs to Loudness War: more than just collateral damage (2025)

#190
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The main reason vinyl often sounds better is because it is better mastered, so this is concerning.

I'd say "rarely" instead of "often" though it depends on the genre I guess. There are also a lot of genres that can never sound as good on vinyl simply due to the lack of dynamic range/silence; mostly classical and electronic.

> There are also a lot of genres that can never sound as good on vinyl simply due to the

inability to encode very low tones.

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