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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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My powerbrick connects to the back of my phone. Form factor wise it's pretty close to my extra large StarTac removable battery that I would carry around.

Bully for you! Id like my user replaceable 100% full batteries back if its ok with you?

Fine with me purchase any phone with that feature you want.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

It's not going to happen, because government need backdoors to the devices. That's why ability to flash own os is severely limited.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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> For that to happen there obviously needs to be a supply worth writing home about. Not really. If there’s no supply, it’s probably because the manufacturers did a market analysis and decided it’s not even worth it to offer that. So either their analysis is extremely wrong and it actually would sell, or the consumers don’t want to buy it that bad.

> "If there’s no supply, it’s probably because the manufacturers [...] decided it’s not even worth it to offer that." You got it surrounded. Why offer devices that you have to support for a longer time (e. g. enterprise models) when there's more money to be made when you enshittify (which obviously goes beyond just batteries)?

Because you’ll be the only manufacturer making the desired product and have 100% of this market? If there are multiple manufacturers competing, surely one of them would do it if it’s profitable?

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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This is a waste of money. All flagship phones have hit the requirements so do not need to make them removable. It might impact some of the budget garbage but not yet clear. All this will do is increase compliance costs.

> All flagship phones have hit the requirements Lots of non-flagship phones making e-waste. This is a sensibly-tailored regulation, targeting the problem instead of specifying a solution because some bureaucrat likes replaceable batteries.

Nobody has quantified what lots means. Which is my issue. The article just says many. Lots and many do not make great legislation.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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What is a “special tool”? A Philips screwdriver is pretty clearly not, but is a T-5 Torx? A security T-5? A Tri-wing? A Pentalobe?

"Special tool" is not used in the actual regulation; the requirement is that replacement must be possible with basic tools, defined:

> (50) 'basic tools' means a screwdriver for slotted heads, a screwdriver for cross recess screws, a screwdriver for hexalobular recess heads [Torx], a hexagon socket key, a combination wrench, combination pliers, combination pliers for wire stripping and terminal crimping, half round nose pliers, diagonal cutters, multigrip pliers, locking pliers, a prying lever, tweezers, magnifying glass, a spudger and a pick;

(Excepted devices can require "commercially available tools" which is defined exactly as you'd expect.)

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1670/oj

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…

Many flagship phones promise 7 years of security updates now. 3-4 years means the battery will only last for half that time, and heavy users (1 cycle per day) will hit that quota in under 2.75 years.

Then the law should just make sure that there's a second source at least for the batteries, that technicians have free access to disassembly instructions, and that it can be done without undue effort or risk.

Requiring common tools or technical skills for replacing something that last 4 years is not a hassle to justify enshitiffying phones design as long as you're not vendor locked for such replacement, and a technician can do it in a reasonable amount of time, with reasonable tool and without the risk of degrading the functionality of the device doing so.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Yeah, and it's BS because in real usage iPhone batteries almost never reach this lifespan. Apple's lobby made this law ineffective, I hope customers start suing.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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All the top smartphone manufacturers hit that bar, at least for their mid and high end phones. The focus on apple is misleading and weird. This will only impact bottom barrel phones.

Remember ios 10.2.1? Batterygate?

That was 10 years ago. Are there any other instances similar that are more recent?

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Last time this was discussed, it was stated that the text exempting based on cycle counts was removed from the final, adopted version. Is that incorrect?

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Oh yeah so it's utter trash and not worthy of our attention. Imagine carrying a whole 58 grams more, during a whole day, impossible for the average tech worker's atrophied muscles

FFS. Everything is a compromise. People who want smaller and lighter are not more wrong than those who want battery and physical protection.

Earth's resources are finite, both in terms of raw materials and ability to absorb pollution. Stewardship of our resources entails the regulation of the things we create with those resources such that our collective consumption is conserved. Such oversight is both prudent, and as history and global outcomes teach, quite necessary.
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