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Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 9:23 PM UTC

eridius wrote: post #209

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #197

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Okay? Android's experience has been evolving from day one. iOS is basically the same experience except for major features like multitasking menu, notification menu, etc (and where did those come from). "Features" are a major part of the experience and was the more important part of my post. Your desire to focus on specs and attempt to dismiss my entire post goes to show the value of lumping "people like me" together…

Huh? Your entire post was dismissing one of the features iOS introduced in the same breath as you talked about Android "outspec[cing]" iPhone. And yet you're claiming I'm trying to focus on specs, but you're trying to focus on "features", as if that's any different and better. Every time someone has tried to hype an Android phone in a discussion I've been a part of, all they do is throw out a bunch of buzzwords and a…

Are you a troll? Because all you did was just repeat yourself, nitpick something I didn't even say and ignore everything else.

Go watch the 4.2 announce and note how every feature is about enhancing the experience and adding core features that iOS will probably not seen any, anytime soon.

I mocked "Facebook integration" because it is mockable, that's what you're going to argue is "experience enhacning"? Android had it from it's very first release via Intents.

Again, I didn't even mention spec lists in that last post, you are really desperate to keep trying to attack me with that, aren't you? (Also, did you watch the iPhone 5 keynote, all it is is specs. Are you paying any attention to iOS and Android or are you just repeating stereotypes from 2 years ago?)

>Every time someone has tried to hype an Android phone in a discussion I've been a part of, all they do is throw out a bunch of buzzwords and acronyms made up by companies like Samsung to try and market their phone. They don't even try and explain what these damn things are, much less why I should care about them.

Vague. Ambiguous. Completely void of a single example. I can't even think of an acronym in Android that I could use as a feature. Also, what, now you admit that Android has features but you can't be bothered to learn what they are because iOS will never get it? Jesus.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by vacri » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 9:24 PM UTC

dan1234 wrote: post #16

StavrosK wrote: post #10

Here's the original page: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal-judgement/ It's basically "The UK court found Samsung non infringing, but said our products are great, and other courts found them infringing.". Far from an apology.

No court judgment ever said it had to be an apology. It was supposed to "to dispel commercial uncertainty". Looks as if Apple have exploited a loophole by adding to the judgment instead of simply posting it.

That published statement 'dispels commercial uncertainty'? Not to a lawyer, but to the consumer who is its target order? How does it do anything except increase commercial uncertainty?

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by walshemj » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 9:34 PM UTC

count wrote: post #43

duiker101 wrote: post #35

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I think that the court's ruling is not childish. The problem with Apple is their attitude, they think they are over the rules, look at the Italian case of the warranties, the law requires 2 years but Apple would give only one. Having them pay a fine would have not changed anything, Apple has no money problem and they often do it in purpose, name a device and than pay if it breaks some trademark or whatever. I think t…

Attitudes are not illegal.

not if they are showing contempt of court they don't

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by Camillo » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 9:56 PM UTC

anders0 wrote: post #70

Camillo wrote: post #54

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The UK is not a republic at all.

"non-(banana republic)", not "(non-banana) republic".

Then you have to write "non-banana-republic". "Non-banana republic" is not even ambiguous, it's just wrong.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by Camillo » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 9:59 PM UTC

DannyBee wrote: post #106

Camillo wrote: post #54

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The UK is not a republic at all.

So then it does indeed fit into the non-(banana republic) category :P

But that's not what you wrote. "Non-banana republic" can only be parsed as [non-banana] republic. You need to write "non-banana-republic" if you want to say non-[banana republix]. Better yet, use a less clumsy turn of phrase. Best of all: drop the remark entirely, it's pointless.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by taligent » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 10:03 PM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #188

reddit_clone wrote: post #181

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It is a proxy war against Android. For reasons I can not fathom, Android scares Apple. And they lash out against it violently. Samsung is collateral damage.

Because iOS is getting features like "Facebook integration" while Android rolls out 360 degree panoramas on a device that outspecs the iPhone 5 and is less than half the price. I'd be worried too.

Apple was doing 3D panoramas in 1993. It really isn't that impressive.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by taligent » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 10:11 PM UTC

eta_carinae wrote: post #205

eridius wrote: post #192

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I am continually amused at how much emphasis people like you put on spec lists. Most people in the world don't care about specs. They care about the actual experience of using the device.

Apple seems to disagree with you since in the past year, all the new products that they have introduced have pretty much been spec upgrades with no innovation (and sometimes, regressions, e.g. maps).

There is actually a lot of innovation in those spec upgrades. The A6 SoC is custom designed and pretty impressive considering it is faster than the competition whilst using less power. And the thinness of the screen (i.e. integration of touch sensors) is definitely innovative.

Then again Apple has always been evolutionary.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by philwelch » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 10:19 PM UTC

oneandoneis2 wrote: post #166

michaelfeathers wrote: post #105

Do US Courts ever make judgements like this? It's akin to compelling speech.

Some US courts make judgements that will end a human life, and you think what's shocking is that a UK court can order a company to retract a claim that has been found to be false?

Yes, in the case that one is convicted of extremely heinous murder, not in the case that one loses a patent suit.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 10:21 PM UTC

taligent wrote: post #216

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #188

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Because iOS is getting features like "Facebook integration" while Android rolls out 360 degree panoramas on a device that outspecs the iPhone 5 and is less than half the price. I'd be worried too.

Apple was doing 3D panoramas in 1993. It really isn't that impressive.

Oh give me a break. Microsoft was doing tablets in 1999. It really isn't that impressive. Hell, that's a better argument because those tablets were actually usable. It's not like Apple had a consumer product at that time that did that.

You do realize I'm talking about taking the panoramas, not just displaying them in Quicktime, right?

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Post by shinratdr » Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 10:22 PM UTC

tatsuke95 wrote: post #189

erikpukinskis wrote: post #180

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> relying on an incredibly powerful, but fragile, branding strategy Saying Apple relies on a "branding strategy" denigrates several entire fields, particularly interaction design and supply chain management. You don't seem to realize that these are important domains of expertise that can confer immense advantages on companies that do them well.

> "You don't seem to realize that these are important domains of expertise" No, I realize it. These strategies are open and replicable. Apple is great at them, but other companies are closing the gap. Supply chain means margins, and those are getting squeezed. Joe Public can get a product that's functionally like an iPhone for a similar or cheaper price, so the supply chain management ability isn't unique. What they'…

> Joe Public can get a product that's functionally like an iPhone for a similar or cheaper price, so the supply chain management ability isn't unique.

Not really at all. The supply chain management allows them to get it to you for a similar price while achieving margins that other companies would kill to have even half of.