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Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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Here's the original page: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal-judgement/ It's basically "The UK court found Samsung non infringing, but said our products are great, and other courts found them infringing.". Far from an apology.

Mom told me I had to say I was sorry, but you deserved it anyway.

This. This is exactly what happened here.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#42
post #30

A lot of the posts that are saying something like "The judge didn't say that they couldn't do it like this!" are deliberately missing the point. In the UK, you are expected to comply with the spirit of such a court order, not just the letter of it. Try and pay a court fine with bins full of loose change and see what happens. It's entirely possible to be punished for contempt of court to a much greater extent than the…

> Try and pay a court fine with bins full of loose change and see what happens.

That actually comes under the letter of the law: http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/leg...

Not to detract from your overall point though, which is 100% correct.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#43
post #17

Did the court seriously think ANY COMPANY would have reacted differently than Apple did? This is a childish and completely unproductive order. Fine Apple and be over with it if you think they did something wrong.

I think that the court's ruling is not childish. The problem with Apple is their attitude, they think they are over the rules, look at the Italian case of the warranties, the law requires 2 years but Apple would give only one. Having them pay a fine would have not changed anything, Apple has no money problem and they often do it in purpose, name a device and than pay if it breaks some trademark or whatever. I think t…

Attitudes are not illegal.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the court's ruling is not childish. The problem with Apple is their attitude, they think they are over the rules, look at the Italian case of the warranties, the law requires 2 years but Apple would give only one. Having them pay a fine would have not changed anything, Apple has no money problem and they often do it in purpose, name a device and than pay if it breaks some trademark or whatever. I think t…

Attitudes are not illegal.

It is when your attitude makes you illegal things, see the warranties things.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#45

This attempt at being "clever" has definitely backfired on apple. If they had just done what was asked the first time, that would have been the end of it. Now it has to be dredged up and people will be reminded (again) that they lost the case. I find it hard to believe that their lawyers advised them that they would get away with something like this.

I'd never heard of this until this. It only confirms my casual (don't own anything Apple) view of Apple as a corporate two year old that makes great products (I've heard), all the while employing armies of lawyers to shout "No fair! No fair!"

Best if they'd just relax back into the big chair and be the adult.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#46
post #39
post #30

A lot of the posts that are saying something like "The judge didn't say that they couldn't do it like this!" are deliberately missing the point. In the UK, you are expected to comply with the spirit of such a court order, not just the letter of it. Try and pay a court fine with bins full of loose change and see what happens. It's entirely possible to be punished for contempt of court to a much greater extent than the…

Annoying a judge is a really bad idea. The court system is normally quite free from corruption, but all that goes out off the window when it become personal and political. See the pirate bay court case, or just any of the police brutality cases. If Apple is going all out with lawyers and legal prowness, instead of competiting with products, they need to get better at it.

Is this specifically in reference to the UK legal system or just a blanket statement about practice around the world?

If it is the former, I really must disagree with the notion that the legal system in the UK is in any way corrupt. Quite far from it, I think it is one of the things that we can be most proud of.

If it is the latter, may I suggest you either be more specific or more correct.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#47
Judge Robin Jacob's comments on

On Apple's legal notice posted

   “I’m at a loss that a company such as Apple would do this,” Judge Robin Jacob said today. “That is a plain breach of the order.”
On Technical Difficulties to take 14 days to change the notice

   “I would like to see the head of Apple make an affidavit setting out the technical difficulties which means Apple can’t put this on” their website, Jacob said. “I just can’t believe the instructions you’ve been given. This is Apple. They cannot put something on their website?”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/apple-ordered-to-ch...

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#48

The UK legal system is a complete joke. Apple should consider using its considerable resources to take legal action with this demand and simply post " X is not as cool as Y" and leave it at that. I can not fathom why this has been pulled up, and would challenge the appeals court to explain why the original passage is non-compliant and if they cant give a reasonable answer I would be meeting them in court.

Apple already is meeting them in court. Apple lost.

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

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post #42
post #30

A lot of the posts that are saying something like "The judge didn't say that they couldn't do it like this!" are deliberately missing the point. In the UK, you are expected to comply with the spirit of such a court order, not just the letter of it. Try and pay a court fine with bins full of loose change and see what happens. It's entirely possible to be punished for contempt of court to a much greater extent than the…

> Try and pay a court fine with bins full of loose change and see what happens. That actually comes under the letter of the law: http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/leg... Not to detract from your overall point though, which is 100% correct.

I was going to post this!

TL;DR the link: Coins are only legal tender up to a certain amount. For example 21p in 1p's is not classed as legal tender.

(Is it only me who can only say "legal tender" in a scottish accent > "I think you'll find that's...")

Re: Apple told to rewrite "Samsung didn't copy", post on front page until Dec 14th

#50
post #17

Did the court seriously think ANY COMPANY would have reacted differently than Apple did? This is a childish and completely unproductive order. Fine Apple and be over with it if you think they did something wrong.

I think that the court's ruling is not childish. The problem with Apple is their attitude, they think they are over the rules, look at the Italian case of the warranties, the law requires 2 years but Apple would give only one. Having them pay a fine would have not changed anything, Apple has no money problem and they often do it in purpose, name a device and than pay if it breaks some trademark or whatever. I think t…

> Having them pay a fine would have not changed anything, Apple has no money problem and they often do it in purpose...

Supposedly, in the UK, Apple pays a £50/day fine rather than posting the required no-smoking signs in the windows of their stores. (I mention this as another example.)

http://blog.lewisking.net/post/318110435/apple-store-madness

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