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ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by kazinator »

daheza wrote: post #22
icameron wrote: post #20

When I first heard the advice to ditch your phone when you go a protest, I thought maybe that's a little extreme. But it's a real threat. We already knew post Snowden there is an extensive big brother apparatus. We saw post 911 that all rights can be taken away in the name of counter-terrorism. Now with a government that's operating outside the law and labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists, I don't think we can…

If we all ditch our phones then how will we record the abuses of power?

- Use a different device: tablet, or camera.

- Do bring your phone, but put it into "airplane mode" so that it doesn't talk to any cell towers; then upload the video somewhere as soon as you get out of the area

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by kazinator »

gruez wrote: post #138
tonyarkles wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SIM-free phone Is the modem completely disabled? Does it still show the "SOS" option that allows you to call 911 without a SIM? If so, and if it's ever been turned on in your residence, there's a decent chance the IMEI could be traced back to your house just based on pattern-of-life movement.

That's why you also need to enable airplane mode.

Which you can just engage on your current phone.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

goatlover wrote: post #196
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #185

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The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable. She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.

Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie. Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

You see what you want to see, which is kinda revealing if you ask me.

No. It is not enough. Reasonable person would be unlikely to find themselves in that position, which begs a simple question:

What was her reason for being there?

If you can answer that, we can start having a conversation. Until then, she is not some rando at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by kazinator »

jacquesm wrote: post #108
codingdave wrote: post #82

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Buy a camera. And/or an audio recorder. Or pull the SIM out of an old phone and use that.

A phone with its SIM out is still registering with the network.

... and has an IMEI identifier.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by drnick1 »

gruez wrote: post #157
drnick1 wrote: post #85

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> GrapheneOS isn't magically exempt from cell tracking, and both android and ios phones can go into airplane mode and have location disabled, which provides similar privacy. You practically can't do anything on a Googled Android device or iOS without a Google or Apple account, so no, they don't provide "similar privacy." The point of a FOSS system is that the user fully controls it, and can install apps privately fro…

>You practically can't do anything on a Googled Android device or iOS without a Google or Apple account, so no, they don't provide "similar privacy." If you're talking about not being able to install third party apps, aurora store doesn't require an account and works fine on stock android. Most other basic functionality works fine too, eg. camera, calls, browsing, maps.

> If you're talking about not being able to install third party apps, aurora store doesn't require an account and works fine on stock android. Most other basic functionality works fine too, eg. camera, calls, browsing, maps.

The Play Store is not the only issue with stock Android devices. Google dependencies run with high privileges and the device is constantly communicating with Google servers for one reason or another. You do not own a Google device for all intents an purposes. The main contribution of Graphene here is that it strips out the proprietary blobs and optionally provides an environment to run Google's libraries with unprivileged access.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by thunderfork »

mothballed wrote: post #145
potato3732842 wrote: post #131

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Having the capacity to do credibly threaten violence back acts as a check on abuse because nobody will stand for cops occasionally getting clapped over stuff they should never have been doing in the first place. Look at how cops roll up on "is armed because you can't not be at his level" drug criminals. There's reconnaissance, preparation, checklists, etc, etc. Yes, there are exceptions, but it's generally orders of…

I mean look at Bundy V1. Law enforcement did not want to die over a few cows, so they said fuck it. Bundy (senior) is still grazing his cattle on that land to this day. Law enforcement is not any braver than you or I, if they don't have overwhelming firepower they fall back on their first commandment which is "the policeman goes home safe to his family at the cost of absolutely everyone else including defenseless chi…

Look at the MOVE bombing, etc - if they wanted to glass the Bundys, they would have. Safety wasn't the reason they didn't.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by RickJWagner »

i80and wrote: post #29
cdrnsf wrote: post #2

Dissolve ICE. Prosecute and/or disallow all ERO agents from any future public service positions.

A decade ago I put this stance into my LinkedIn profile tag line, and was a little surprised how many engineers reached out to praise that decision. I think it's rapidly, finally , entering the realm of political viability.

So you did it when Obama ( and the current ICE management ) were handling deportations?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by RickJWagner »

chasd00 wrote: post #127
JKCalhoun wrote: post #97

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Video analysis is depressing: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...

I wonder what conclusion the FBI's investigation will come to because it sure doesn't look good for ICE to me. Best case, those two agents get sentenced to life for murder but the damage is done and a life taken. If the officer fired two shots and she died at the scene then it seems reasonable to me the bullets didn't go through the windshield and, instead, went through her rolled down window while she was turning aw…

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by muwtyhg »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #136
soco wrote: post #111

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Nevertheless, it's eerie that we are even having this discussion today. I didn't say "scary" because I'm far away from these events, but definitely uncomfortable - I know, the "events" may approach sooner or later my location too...

There’s millions of people who have been dealing with this daily for the last few decades. The sim swap networks and VPN/TOR users across the world live like this. When I was in Iraq it was basically expected that all of your communications are totally pwnd, if you live in China you’re totally pwnd. Cell trackers like described in the article have been in use for the last 15 years by police and law-enforcement inside…

> why you think its eerie?

You typed out how awful the situation is, and how you cannot trust anything, and then ask why it's eerie? I feel like you answered your own question before you even asked it.

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