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having fun isn't tied to employment unless you are self-employed even then what's fun should not be the driving force
i think you angered the hustle bros
were these bots? so strange all green nicks
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#212> Through field observations (N=13) and qualitative surveys (N=99)... Not a statistically significant sample size.
How many independent witnesses would you need to convict someone of murder?
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> academic papers take 6-12 months to come out, by which time the LLM space has often moved on by an entire model generation. This is a recurring argument which I don't understand. Doesn't it simply mean that whatever conclusion they did was valid then? The research process is about approximating a better description of a phenomenon to understand it. It's not about providing a definitive answer. Being "an entire mode…
2025 has been a wild year for agentic coding models. Cutting-edge models in January 2025 don't hold a candle to cutting edge models in December 2025. Just the jump from Sonnet 3.5 to 3.7 to 4.5, and Opus 4.5 has been pretty massive in terms of holistic reasoning, deep knowledge as well as better procedural and architectural adherence. GPT-5 Pro convinced me to pay $200/mo for an OpenAI subscription. Regular 5.2 model…
>By comparison, in the last week I've prototyped six applications at levels that would take me days to weeks individually [...]
I don't doubt that the models have got better, but you can go back two or three years and find people saying the exact same stuff about the latest models back then.
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> academic papers take 6-12 months to come out, by which time the LLM space has often moved on by an entire model generation. This is a recurring argument which I don't understand. Doesn't it simply mean that whatever conclusion they did was valid then? The research process is about approximating a better description of a phenomenon to understand it. It's not about providing a definitive answer. Being "an entire mode…
2025 has been a wild year for agentic coding models. Cutting-edge models in January 2025 don't hold a candle to cutting edge models in December 2025. Just the jump from Sonnet 3.5 to 3.7 to 4.5, and Opus 4.5 has been pretty massive in terms of holistic reasoning, deep knowledge as well as better procedural and architectural adherence. GPT-5 Pro convinced me to pay $200/mo for an OpenAI subscription. Regular 5.2 model…
> Just the jump from Sonnet 3.5 to 3.7 to 4.5, and Opus 4.5 has been pretty massive in terms of holistic reasoning, deep knowledge as well as better procedural and architectural adherence.
I don't really agree. Aside from how it handled frontend code, changes in Sonnet did not truly impact my overall productivity (from Sonnet 3.7 to 4 to 4.5, i did not try 3.5). Opus 4.5/Codex 5.2 are when the changes truly happenned for me (and i'm still a bit distrustfull of Codex 5.2, but i use it basically to help me during PRs).
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sure unemployment is also a choice
fun work > tedious work > unemployment not sure why so many people feel like factoring fun into what job you want to take is so unthinkable, or that it's just a false dichotomy between the ideal job and unemployment
this is known as privilege
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Software Engineers will still exist. Software Devs not so much. There is a huge difference between the two and they are not interchangeable.
Good luck convincing new overlords. Your take is this meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dig-the-fucking-hole .
sorry i don't speak meme
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I knew in October the game had changed. Thanks for keeping us in the know.
I'm not sure what you mean by “the game has changed.” If you’re referring to Opus 4.5, it’s somewhat better, but it’s far from game-changing.
You’re looking in from the outside. I’m on the inside. This next generation of models will show. It’s about to get wild.
We now have extremely large context windows, we now have memory, we now have recall, we now can put an agent to the task for 24 hours.
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Monopolizing the work doesn't work unless you have the power to suppress anyone else joining the competition, i.e. "certified developers only". Otherwise people would have realized they can charge 3x as much by being 5x as productive with better tools while you're writing your code in notepad for maximum ROI, and you would have either adjusted or gone out of business. Increased productivity isn't a choice, it's a res…
Sure - I agree with that, and I agree its good for society but as you state probably not as good for the SWE who has to work harder for the same which was my point and I think you agree. Other professions have done what you have stated (i.e. certification) and seen higher wages than otherwise which also proves my point. They see this as the "street smart" thing to do, and generally society respects them for it puttin…
> Other professions have done what you have stated (i.e. certification) and seen higher wages than otherwise which also proves my point.
I'd generally agree with that if it regards to safety (e.g. industrial control systems), but we manage that by certifying the manufacturer, not the individual developer. But otherwise I think it's harmful to society, even if beneficial to the individuals - but there's a lot of things falling in that bucket, and it's usually not the things we strive for at a societal level.
In my experience, getting better and faster has always translated into being paid more. I don't know that there's a direct relationship to specific tools, but I'm pretty sure that the mainstreaming of software development has caused the huge inflation of total comp that you see in many companies. If it was slow and there's only this handful of people that can do it, but they're not really adding a huge amount of value, you wouldn't be seeing that kind of multiplier vs the average job.
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Are there techniques though? Tech pairing? Something we know now that we didn't then? Or just better models?
Lots of technique stuff. A common observation among LLM nerds is that if the models stopped being improved and froze in time for a year we could still spend all twelve months discovering new capabilities and use-cases for the models we already have.
Any specifics you'd recommend?