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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by tonyhart7 »

matrss wrote: post #133
tonyhart7 wrote: post #103

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You goes to BYD dealership???

I said e.V., not EV. Codeberg is an e.V., i.e. a "registered association" in Germany. I am not actually sure if you could technically buy an e.V., but I am 100% certain that all of the Codeberg e.V. members would not take kindly to an attempt at a hostile takeover from Microsoft. So no, buying Codeberg is not easier than DDoSing them.

they can't buy the orgs but they can buy the codeberg or its member

which is basically the same thing

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Post by cinntaile »

whatevaa wrote: post #198
jack_pp wrote: post #194

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Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

Linus famously was quite strict and cursed quite a bit when somebody pissed him off with stupidity.

He's not exactly a role model when it comes to communication.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by [deleted] »

brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by blibble »

CamouflagedKiwi wrote: post #71
baq wrote: post #52

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> a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system having used gerrit 10 years ago there's nothing about github's PRs that I like more, today. > code navigation simply in a web browser this is nice indeed, true. > You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. if only. GHA are a hot mess because somehow we've landed in a local minimum of pretend-YAML-but-actually-shell-js-jinja-python and they have a smaller or…

The main thing I like about Github's PRs is that it's a system I'm already familiar with and have a login/account for. It's tedious going to contribute to a project to find I have to sign up for and learn another system. I've used Gerrit years ago, so wasn't totally unfamiliar, but it was still awkward to use when Go were using it for PRs. Notably that project ended up giving up on it because of the friction for user…

> The main thing I like about Github's PRs is that it's a system I'm already familiar with and have a login/account for. It's tedious going to contribute to a project to find I have to sign up for and learn another system.

codeberg supports logging in with GitHub accounts, and the PR interface is exactly the same

you have nothing new to learn!

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Post by bayindirh »

nrhrjrjrjtntbt wrote: post #177
bayindirh wrote: post #36

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Try exposing a paswordless SSH server to outside to see what happens. It'll be tried immediately, non-stop. Now, all the servers I run has no public SSH ports, anymore. This is also why I don't expose home-servers to internet. I don't want that chaos at my doorstep.

Yeah no need for public ssh. Or if you do pick a random port and fail2ban or better just whitelist the one IP you are using for the duration of that session. To avoid needing SSH just send your logs and metrics out and do something to autodeploy securely then you rarely need to be in. Or use k8s :)

Whitelisting single IP (preferably a static one) sounds plausible.

Kubernetes for personal infrastructure is akin to getting an aircraft carrier for fishing trips.

For simple systems snapshots and backups are good enough. If you're managing a thousand machine fleet, then things are of course different.

I manage both so, I don't yearn to use big-stack-software on my small hosts. :D

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Post by [deleted] »

justin66 wrote: post #161
bit1993 wrote: post #119

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I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

> Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answered, number of followers for an account. All these things are powerful indicators of quality Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

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Post by 8organicbits »

Animats wrote: post #192

Is anything broken on the pure Git side of Github? From this, it's clear that actions and runners are becoming unusable. But are repositories still safe?

The outages break `git push`. I'm not a fan of the AI adoption within the UI, and the side bars when browsing code usually get in the way. Using GitHub as a dumb git backend isn't a great option either, look at the Linux kernels PRs, it's almost all spam. Why on earth can't PRs be disabled?

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclose...

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Post by antonvs »

jcmfernandes wrote: post #117
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

> a well-formed CI system Man :| no. I genuinely understand the convenience of using Actions, but it's a horrible product.

What do you consider a good product in this space?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by flohofwoe »

jbaiter wrote: post #172

Am I in the minority when I actually like those AI features on GitHub? The ability to interrogate any open source codebase is __amazing__, this feature alone has saved me days of work/research. The AI code reviews are nothing to write home about, but occasionally catch stuff that I would've missed, a net benefit for me. I don't really get all the outrage... Sure, having an "Ask AI" Clippy-like thing in your face ever…

...you can just clone the repository and do that interrogation locally with the AI tool of your choice.

Every single application or webpage having its own AI integration is seriously one of the dumbest ideas in computing history (instead of separating applications and AI tools and let them work together via standardized interfaces).

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Post by NoahZuniga »

psychoslave wrote: post #148
themgt wrote: post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

One can always host Forgejo themselves if a service level has to be kept under control. With Github that’s not even an option. I would even consider that moving everything from one single point of failure to an other is not the brightest move.

> With Github that’s not even an option.

Github does offer a self hosted product: GitHub Enterprise Server

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