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Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by d1sxeyes »

spwa4 wrote: post #189
WatchDog wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any new term you come up with, will end up being misused by marketers.

End-to-end encryption doesn't mean anything where it is semi-validly used. It's used on phones, where you as a user (or company) don't control what code executes. For example, WhatsApp was end-to-end encrypted. Well, it doesn't actually provide security because with either physical access to the phone or if you have if you can use the app store to "upgrade" the app, you can upload code to the phone. You can upload an…

Yes, the government can also just implant tiny cameras in your eyeballs and just record everything you see anyway, so you’re not safe.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by reaperducer »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #127
karlgkk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s kinda like such a reasonable thing too Doing on device compute is probably expensive and would prohibit such a product based on the economics but ITS A GENITAL CAM

Only for the very well endowed since it points down. Though hopefully they're doing something other than let their bits dangle in the toilet water.

Only for the very well endowed since it points down.

Each day after 50, your line and bobbers get a little closer to the pond.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by jstanley »

RHSeeger wrote: post #207
jstanley wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, banks have a bunch of regulations which means they can't run an end-to-end encrypted payment service. That's an argument that their payment service is not end-to-end encrypted, not an argument that you can simply redefine the ends and say that it is.

Can you speak to this part? > Honestly, I don't understand what argument is that you're not sending a message TO the bank, and they need to be able to read it in order to act on it, and they need to decrypt it to read it. The bank is the target of the message, they are one of the "ends" in E2EE. That's the part that I'm confused on.

That's an implementation detail of the bank.

You might just as well say that E2EE messaging is impossible because you are sending a message "to" Signal, and they need to read it in order to act on it.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by butvacuum »

swiftcoder wrote: post #195
butvacuum wrote: post #180

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I'm not sure how you can call chatgpt "ostensibly my own computer" when it's primarily a website. And honestly, E2EE's strict definition (messages between user 1 and user 2 cannot be decrypted by message platform)... Is unambiguously possible for chatGPT. It's just utterly pointless when user2 happens to also be the message platform. If you message support for $chat_platform (if there is such a thing) do you expect t…

> And honestly, E2EE's strict definition (messages between user 1 and user 2 cannot be decrypted by message platform)... Is unambiguously possible for chatGPT. It's just utterly pointless when user2 happens to also be the message platform. This is basically the whole thrust of Apple's Private Cloud Compute architecture. It is possible to build a system that prevents user2 from reading the chats, but it's not clear th…

Not all messages. The message you sent to support- the answer is implicitly "of course they can read them."

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by hackernudes »

joezydeco wrote: post #15
hackernudes wrote: post #11

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They probably do clinical trials (or at least something like that) where they get baseline data from participants through other means.

I'm talking about sold units in the field.

I meant that they train their system on pictures where they have the underlying medical data. Their system might still be total crap (teehee), but I'm guessing that they at least try to make it predictive/generalized.

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Post by monerozcash »

zarzavat wrote: post #196
setopt wrote: post #179

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Ideally, both OpenAI employees and the 3-letter agencies?

Yes but National Security Letters make that pointless. You can't encrypt away a legal obligation. The point of e2ee is that a provider can say to the feds "this is all the information we have", and removing the e2ee would be noticed by security researchers. If the provider controls one of the ends then the feds can instruct them to tap that end and nobody is any the wiser. The best you can do is either to run the inf…

> Yes but National Security Letters make that pointless

It seems ridiculous to use the term "national security letter" as opposed to "subpoena" in this context, there is no relevant distinction between the two when it comes to this subject. A pointless distraction.

> You can't encrypt away a legal obligation.

Of course you can't. But a subpoena (or a NSL, which is a subpoena) can only mandate you to provide information which you have within your control. It can not mandate you to procure information which you do not have within your control.

If you implement e2ee, customer chats are not within your control. There is no way to breach that with a subpoena. A subpoena can not force you to implement a backdoor or disable e2ee.

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Post by BizarroLand »

richbell wrote: post #62
amingilani wrote: post #55

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> it is clear that Kohler is one end of the communication That’s not end-to-end encryption. By that logic HN, and any other website over HTTPS is E2E encrypted.

That is what "end-to-end encryption" has come to mean in marketing. In the same way that every single product is "natural."

All natural blends of hydroxyapatite, sodium laureth sulfate, and methylpropanediol, just like grandma used to make

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Post by [deleted] »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #211
spwa4 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

End-to-end encryption doesn't mean anything where it is semi-validly used. It's used on phones, where you as a user (or company) don't control what code executes. For example, WhatsApp was end-to-end encrypted. Well, it doesn't actually provide security because with either physical access to the phone or if you have if you can use the app store to "upgrade" the app, you can upload code to the phone. You can upload an…

Yes, the government can also just implant tiny cameras in your eyeballs and just record everything you see anyway, so you’re not safe.

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Post by nh23423fefe »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #49

Imagine the collective brainpower that could be used to help solve the world's ills, and instead decided, no, what we need is a camera pointed at your asshole which we feed into an AI-powered SaaS we can then sell to you for a subscription. This industry is finished.

its almost like there is no collective making the absurd decision you suppose is being made somewhere. no one is going to pay my rent for solving the worlds ills whatever that means.

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Post by pyuser583 »

butvacuum wrote: post #184
pyuser583 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like one term is being used for two very different things.

Yes, because people don't know the difference between "in transit" and e2ee.

The plain meaning of "end to end" and "in transit" overlaps quite a bit.
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