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Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by hackernudes » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:40 AM UTC

joezydeco wrote: post #7

How does one "train" an AI with a flood of random toilet pictures and no corresponding medical data to match it with?

They probably do clinical trials (or at least something like that) where they get baseline data from participants through other means.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by Duanemclemore » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:40 AM UTC

So they made Google TISP?

https://archive.google/tisp/index.html

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by crmd » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:40 AM UTC

I’m sorry the shit had hit the fan at Kohler, but there’s no reason a cloud poop camera even exists.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by patjensen » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:41 AM UTC

Hi, who just joined?

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by joezydeco » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:41 AM UTC

hackernudes wrote: post #11

joezydeco wrote: post #7

How does one "train" an AI with a flood of random toilet pictures and no corresponding medical data to match it with?

They probably do clinical trials (or at least something like that) where they get baseline data from participants through other means.

I'm talking about sold units in the field.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by rglover » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:41 AM UTC

Even (especially?) for its stated purpose, this is cursed technology.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by jchw » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:43 AM UTC

Duanemclemore wrote: post #12

So they made Google TISP? https://archive.google/tisp/index.html

To me it reminds me of Smart Pipe.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by bmandale » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:43 AM UTC

Terr_ wrote: post #4

So basically their marketing-department is abusing a security term in order to sound good, as opposed to a software flaw. They're claiming "end to end" encryption, which usually implies the service is unable to spy on individual users that are communicating to one-another over an individualized channel. However in this case there are no other users, and their server is one of the "ends" doing the communicating, which…

This is an incredibly common misuse of the term e2ee. I think at this point we need a new word because you have a coin flip's chance of actually getting what you think when a company describes their product this way.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by anArbitraryOne » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:43 AM UTC

comradesmith wrote: post #3

Holy fuck they actually built Smart Pipe[1] 1: https://youtu.be/DJklHwoYgBQ?si=bSRE2lOqwwm1Q_D9

Now's the time to get on board so that, when they launch the social network, you can be a top influencer just like Scout

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by m3kw9 » Wed, Dec 03, 2025, 2:44 AM UTC

No pictures were shown on the website.