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Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by philipwhiuk »

bheadmaster wrote: post #204
Aurornis wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This donation is for the NTP Foundation for something specific like their website. The big companies who use NTP have their own pools and either use versions of different ntp implantations or their own internal ones. All of these comments assuming cloud providers are using the reference NTP implementation and the public pools have no idea what they’re talking about.

> The big companies who use NTP have their own pools And which NTP servers are those pools synchronized to?

This organisation doesn't run the NTP pool.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by knadh »

VoidWhisperer wrote: post #207
knadh wrote: post #206

We've allocated $60,000 to NTP from FLOSS/fund [1]. It happened in May, but the disbursal is pending owing to paperwork [2]. We hope it'll go through in the next couple of months. [1] https://floss.fund/projects/2025/ [2] https://floss.fund/blog/second-tranche-2025-anniversary/#wha...

The combination of the moving goalposts for donations (they changed it from $1000 goal to $4000 after hitting their goal[0]) and the fact that they have have a large donation like this pending but simply haven't completed the paperwork kind of rubs me the wrong way a little bit. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20251112110436/https://www.ntp.o...

The delay is on our side while we wait for regulatory approvals (India) for cross-border disbursements, I must clarify. The issues are described in the post I linked [2].

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by calibas »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #177
calibas wrote: post #153

Some of the comments here seem overly negative and critical. They support billions of devices and are only asking for $4,000 in donations per year.

They support no devices. Read more carefully.

It's almost certain NTP is what's synchronizing time on your system right now.

And yes, they're separate from the NTP Pool Project, which runs the actual servers, but the Network Time Foundation supports the software that billions of devices run on.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by jeffbee »

bheadmaster wrote: post #204
Aurornis wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This donation is for the NTP Foundation for something specific like their website. The big companies who use NTP have their own pools and either use versions of different ntp implantations or their own internal ones. All of these comments assuming cloud providers are using the reference NTP implementation and the public pools have no idea what they’re talking about.

> The big companies who use NTP have their own pools And which NTP servers are those pools synchronized to?

They have their own Stratum 0 source clocks.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by jrochkind1 »

jetbalsa wrote: post #167
Aurornis wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it’s updating now. Ctrl-F this thread and search for ‘365’ and you’ll see that it was not changing for several hours despite donations rolling in.

I suspect someone is updating that bar by hand :V

"Please donate so we can automate near-realtime display of our donations bar" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by rvz »

bheadmaster wrote: post #205
NetMageSCW wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad that an unfounded comment like that can be posted so easily with no basis in fact.

Care to elaborate, or do you prefer to just say "nah fam thats cap" in a pretentious manner?

These large trillion dollar companies run their own NTP servers rather than depending on this one.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by lossolo »

jrmg wrote: post #151
Aurornis wrote: post #143

This was submitted with a title that doesn’t match the page and is not even accurste (Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up) is not correct. This donation page is not for the public NTP pool. It’s for the NTP Project organization and their web page. All of the angry comments from people who think NTP will stop working if the donation bar doesn’t get to $1000 are misinformed. Also note that the bar isn’t upda…

You’re right, people are plainly commenting based on the title. The goal has now mysteriously changed to a goal of $4000.

It went from 1k -> 2k -> 4k to 8k, so I guess the next will be 16k and then 32k..

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by mschuster91 »

reactordev wrote: post #142
waltbosz wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I always thought it odd when plumbers (etc. tradesmen) working full time for a company have to supply their own tools.

My brother is a plumber and his company reimbursed him for every tool he has bought for the job. After 5 years, he started his own plumbing business and he supplies all the tools, trucks, benefits, contracts, and customer support for his employees in the field. For what it’s worth. You can choose your tool, you’ll get it.

> You can choose your tool, you’ll get it.

That's actually decent. Too often you're stuck with whatever gear your shop uses - Bosch, Hilti, Makita are the most common power tools here in Germany. It makes sense for the penny pinchers who purchase on volume and get discounts, but chances are high it ends up pissing off the employees rather sooner than later.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by righthand »

Aurornis wrote: post #168
righthand wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the previous comment. > Google’s, for example, uses time-smearing to handle leaps. This is different than the standard and therefore you shouldn’t mix Google’s leap-smearing NTP system with NTP servers that don’t leap smear. So we can use or not? If we can then well good, then there will be no problem then if the funding fails.

> If we can then well good, then there will be no problem then if the funding fails The funding is not for the NTP servers or pools. Please read the actual page and all of the comments trying to explain that the HN title is a lie. NTP will not “go down” if this project fails. You can use Google or Amazon’s NTP servers if you’d like. Just be aware of how they represent leap seconds differently.

You’re just validating my reasons to not donate which is what this discussion is about. It’s not about the way Ntp specifically works or what the money will go to. My reasons for not donating are that bad acting corpos have destroyed any reason or trust to support these smaller outfits whether directly impactful or not.

Re: Please donate to keep Network Time Protocol up – Goal 1k

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Post by simoncion »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #175
simoncion wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Network Time Foundation (which counts the NTP project among those it provides resources to) lists several corporate Members. But yeah, critical infrastructure usually goes criminally underfunded.

Except they aren’t critical infrastructure which is why no one supports them.

Accurate timekeeping is critical infrastructure. So much so, that the US government operates many radio stations whose sole purpose is to provide current time announcements, reference clocks, and other timekeeping-related information. See [0].

Relatedly: surely you're not of the opinion that the various GPS constellations are not critical infrastructure?

[0] https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-se...>

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