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PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by AlSweigart »

dangus wrote: post #61
aspir wrote: post #29

This isn't good for the PSF, but if these "poison pill" terms are a pattern that applies to all NSF and (presumably) other government research funding, the entire state of modern scientific research is at risk. Regardless of how you, as an individual, might feel about "DEI," imposing onerous political terms on scientific grants harms everyone in the long term.

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I am going add more on top of that: we should automatically assume bad faith of anyone still willing, in 2025, to give the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by ericfr11 »

zo1 wrote: post #45
rectang wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-DEI forces, once in power, turn out not to favor putative “diversity of opinion” after all.

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As a white American, this feels insulting to all those around me. Diversity is what made the US so great. White people are just one tone of the human palette.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by ericfr11 »

ipaddr wrote: post #86
georgemcbay wrote: post #35

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> Federal funding of research is un-American. Federal funding of research created the Internet that you are posting this idiocy on.

Before you attack the last poster, he does have a point. Federal funding of powers that belong to states is unamerican.

I agree. The gvt should not care if DEI is used, or if someone is gay or transgender m

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

silexia wrote: post #195
dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

DEI programs are fundamentally racist. You don't fix racism with more racism.

How do you fix racism?

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by dangus »

drstewart wrote: post #163
dangus wrote: post #149

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America first I assume now means “South America First” in regard to financially bailing out Argentina in exchange for political favors.

Yes, better than getting nothing in return for those billions by giving them out to warlords in Africa for luxury cars and airplanes... I mean "aid"

lol, there are so many impeachment-worthy scandals it is hard to keep track of. I completely forgot about the free airplane.

Nixon is rolling in his grave with envy. He has to resign over a parking ticket by comparison.

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #92
throwaway091025 wrote: post #48

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Equity vs. Equality. Google it, “my dude”.

I do think a lot of these people who claim reverse racism just have no idea what the word “equity” even means.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by AlSweigart »

dragonwriter wrote: post #69
bilekas wrote: post #8

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This seems very un-American. The government dictating how you run your business ? > “do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws.” Is that even legal to add such an arbitrary and opinionated reason to a government grant? I applaud them for taking a stand, it…

> Is that even legal to add such an arbitrary and opinionated reason to a government grant? On the surface, it is simply a requirement that the grantee comply with existing non-discrimination laws coupled with a completely fictional example of a potential violation (“discriminatory equity ideology”) provided as an example that happens to have an initialism collision with a real thing. This is legal and ( but for the…

Agreed. And it is... quite revealing that many people in these comments are so insistent to view the text in isolation.

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Post by abbycurtis33 »

latexr wrote: post #175
philipallstar wrote: post #76

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> I am going to add my own stronger language than yours: if you don’t feel positively about diversity, equity, and inclusion, then you are sending a message that you instead support homogeneity, inequity, and exclusion. This "if you're not for us you're against us" is a very broken way of thinking. It excludes the many, many more people just don't care about diversity and want the best people in a role regardless of…

> It excludes the many, many more people just don't care about diversity and want the best people in a role regardless of ethnicity or sex or anything else. You often don’t know who the “best” person is for a role until they’re in it. Diversity is good because it allows for different perspectives and catching your own blind spots. Because we don’t understand different backgrounds as well as our own, we can fail to un…

This is mystical thinking. We can establish systems for hiring based on capability.

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by ggm »

I would hope another funding source with no interest in this kind of legalistic politics emerges. Conditionality like this is going to be much more common for another 3 years at least.

Turning down money is the easiest thing in the world, if you have the fortitude. I think a lot of organisations don't.

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