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After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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> Twitch There are only 2 sides on twitch right now, both illiberal. One side has the political philosophy that amounts to "if Trump does it, we support it". The other side is a fringe far left (e.g. tankies). Except the former "philosophy" is supported by 90% of republicans, and the latter is ostracized by democrats. Even AOC (the once symbol of far leftism) shifted towards more mainstream liberal democratic values.…

> One side has the political philosophy that amounts to "if Trump does it, we support it". I disagree that this is an accurate characterization of the side that isn't the "fringe far left". > and the latter is ostracized by democrats. It looks to me like, far from being ostracized, Hasan Piker is getting to do another round of puff pieces in sympathetic outlets. > And you are comparing president of the country to twi…

> I disagree that this is an accurate characterization of the side that isn't the "fringe far left".

The evidence is there. Trump has been thrashing back and forth on tariffs, explaining 2 mutually-exclusive reasons to have them, and they justify it each time. Trump has been infringing on free speech and due process at levels beyond anything democrats have ever done (if you don't count republican conspiracy theories), and they justify it. I have listened to a lot of debates, and nobody can answer a question "what would Trump do that would make me vote for democrats instead".

> Hasan Piker is getting to do another round

Again, these people are not voters.

> I am comparing media figures to media figures.

I'm sorry, I should've been clearer. You said "It was not a Republican media figure who made that video […]" and "it's not the right-wingers who are being shown to have all sorts of clips". I understood that as you making a point that democrats are worse than republicans in general because of these examples. Which cannot be true because the entire Trump cabinet and most republican lawmakers are now doing the most heated and divisive rhetoric constantly and unapologetically, as though they are influencers and agitators, not government of a 2-party nation. Their actions speak even louder than words. So what you're pointing out in totality pales in comparison to what republicans are doing. And I'm saying: you cannot point to leftie twitch streamers that don't have any political power, and compare them to the literal White House and republican lawmakers, to judge the magnitude of the problem on each side.

However, even if we single out just the media figures, it's absolutely insane how much conspiracy, lies, and divisive rhetoric has been fed into right wing minds. And it's almost awe-inspiring how lockstep all republican pundits are with each other. Nothing like that exists on the left.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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how can you say you only want cooperation when the viewpoints you and your brethren share are dehumanising, against a peaceful world, against caring for the environment, against minorities, against queer folk, and against international cooperation? we arent talking about “how many immigrants should we allow”, we’re talking about “trans people shouldnt exist”, “christianity is the true religion”, “deport all legal imm…

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See, now thats at the heart of it isn't it!

What /would/ someone have to offer you, your family or your community? What do you value? What does your community value? How do you know folks have nothing to offer?

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Kimmel was canceled explicitly because of a threat by the government. Carr has made that clear.

The FCC, like other federal agencies, is independent. There's nothing in the article to suggest that Carr's decision to do this has anything to do with Trump, who doesn't actually have authority here. Per the article, Carr apparently doesn't think he did anything coercive either. He's just making public statements. The supposed "threat" doesn't seem to me like much of one. And Carr is also irrelevant to the Kimmel fi…

> The FCC, like other federal agencies, is independent.

That's not what Trump thinks [1].

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensu...

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Did Jimmy Kimmel celebrate the assassination? (He did not.)

No, enough people were angered by him when he accused Trump supporters of killing Kirk that abc had to pull for financial reasons. Not sure why he would’ve said that on a comedy show.

"I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage."

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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I think they’re saying this isn’t debate club. When companies are being threatened, when universities are being told their research grants will be illegally withheld unless they punish students or faculty for exercising constitutional rights, when civil servants are being vetted by political apparatchiks for their political views, it’s not a hypothetical question about the boundaries of civil discourse.

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Is the point you are trying to make that - because your college acted shitty during Vietnam - its cool if everyone acts shitty now? Not trying to be argumentative, really trying to understand the perspective of someone who survived the hell that apparently was Vietnam.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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> I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. Every single story and moral guidance I've ever been told from childhood, whether from movies, books, church, or culture in general is that people like those in power right now are the bad guys. I no longer have any idea what people on the other side actually think. I don't think they know anymore either. I think they just want to exert power…

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> we get downvoted/banned/doxxed (on most platforms) when we do say what we think.

Gee I wonder why! Maybe because you guys say the most vile and hateful shit out loud, are intolerant of people existing and constantly try to impose your way of living to others instead of letting people live as they like/want/can.

You’re completely brainwashed.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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That would be called concern trolling where I am from. This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day. Right wing authoritarianism is by far the biggest terrorist threat in the united states - right wingers literally threaten war on social media on the regular and love their guns, elected officials are literally conspiracy theorists who talk about jewish space lasers…

> This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day.

Tim Urban makes an interesting argument to the contrary in https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem

Though he argues that both “sides” are dangerously anti-liberal, but in different way.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Correct. He didn't use a legal framework, and did it anyway. They even convinced Twitter to ban retweeting an unfavorable New York Post article that turned out true! https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-wh... https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO02/20220914/115106/HHRG... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/14/facebook-..…

Twitter moderated the New York Post story based on their "hacked materials doxxing" policy, then executives immediately realized that the particular circumstances of this story weren't foreseen when the policy was written and within 24 hours changed the policy to allow posting the story.

And here we are 5 years later and people still bring it up.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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You're conflating cancel culture, done voluntarily by private companies, with censorship, with the federal government through the FCC is dictating the outcomes of mergers and acquisitions based on compliance with speech restrictions.

Private companies were being pressured by government officials. That was already proven a few years ago. Also, Kimmel is a case of a private company canceling him the FCC didn’t force anything.

They don’t need to force anything, just make vague threats.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.

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