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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by sunsunsunsun »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #120
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

The question is, why are you doing art? - Because you enjoy it - Because you get pats in the back from people you share it with - Because you want to earn money from it The 1st one will continue to be true in this dystopian AI art future, the other not so much. And sincerely I find that kind of human art, the one that comes from a pure inner force, the more interesting one. EDIT: list formatting

You seem to forget that most artists enjoy it but due to the structure of our society are forced to either give it up for most of their waking life to earn money or attempt to market their art to the masses to make money. This AI stuff only makes it harder for artists to make any kind of living off of their work.

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Post by podgietaru »

bko wrote: post #197
podgietaru wrote: post #100

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I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…

> I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. Rewarded how? 99.99% of people who do things like sports or artistic like writing never get "rewarded for doing so", at least in the way I imagine you mean the phrase. The reward is usually the experience itself. When someone pic…

99.99% of people, really? You think there isn't a huge swath of the economy that are made up of professional writers, artists, musicians, graphic designers, and all the other creative professionals that the producers of these models aim to replicate the skills of?

Why am I so "hung up" on the livelihood of these people?

Doing art is a Hobby is a good in and of itself. I did not say otherwise. But when I see a movie, when I listen to a song, I want to appreciate the integrity and talent of the people that wrote them. I want them to get paid for that enjoyment. I don't think that's bizarre.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

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Post by echelon »

sureglymop wrote: post #202
echelon wrote: post #176

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I don't know. I wasn't there and I'm excited. I think this puts Epic Games, Nintendo, and the whole lot into a very tough spot if this tech takes off. I don't see how Unreal Engine, with its voluminous and labyrinthine tomes of impenetrable legacy C++ code, survives this. Unreal Engine is a mess, gamers are unhappy about it, and it's a PITA to develop with. I certainly hate working with it. Innovator's Dilemma fast a…

How so? It's not really by itself being creative yet, no? It sure seems like a game changer but who knows if one can even use this at scale?

I played around with Diamond WM on my 3090 machine. I also ran fast SDXL-turbo and LCM models with ControlNets paired with a 3D game prototype I threw together. The results were very compelling, and I was just one person hacking things together.

This is 100% going to happen on-device. It's just a matter of time.

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Post by skybrian »

wolttam wrote: post #116
podgietaru wrote: post #100

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I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…

It's hard to see how there will be room for profit as this all advances There will be two classes of media: - Generated, consumed en-masse by uncreative, uninspired individuals looking for cheap thrill - Human created, consumed by discerning individuals seeking out real human talent and expression. Valuing it based merely on the knowledge that a biological brain produced (or helped produce) it. I tend to suspect that…

It seems to me that you’re describing Hollywood? Admittedly, there are big budget productions, but Hollywood is all about fakery, it’s cheap for the consumer, and there’s a lot of audience-pleasing dreck.

There’s no bright line between computer and human-created video - computer tools are used everywhere.

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Post by bakuninsbart »

gavinray wrote: post #178
dingnuts wrote: post #143

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what is a robot dream when there is clearly no consciousness? What's with this insane desire for anthropomorphism? What do you even MEAN learn in its dreams? Fine-tuning overnight? Just say that!

> What's with this insane desire for anthropomorphism? Devil's advocate: Making the assumption that consciousness is uniquely human, and that humans are "special" is just as ludicrous. Whether a computational medium is carbon-based or silicon-based seems irrelevant. Call it "carbon-chauvinism".

That's not even a devil's advocate, many other animals clearly have consciousness, at least if we're not solipsistic. There have been many very dangerous precedents in medicine where people have been declared "brain dead" only to awake and remember.

Since consciousness is closely linked to being a moral patient, it is all the more important to err on the side of caution when denying qualia to other beings.

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Post by [deleted] »

roboboffin wrote: post #209
rowanG077 wrote: post #196

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AI will not be able to generate everything for us. Just the things that are able to be explored by humans and hopefully a tad bit more. AI is already more creative than humans by a lot of measures.

Depends what you mean by creativity. In some ways, AI is not creative at all, everything is generated by mapping text to visuals using diffusion modelling via a shared latent space. It has no agency or creative thought of its own. Humans have demonstrated time and again, even things beyond our experience can be explored by us; quantum mechanics for example. Humans find a way to map very complex subjects to our own ex…

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Post by Saline9515 »

skybrian wrote: post #133
Saline9515 wrote: post #119

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It still requires work, dedication and produces authenticity. A world where AI can produce music instantly commoditizes it.

Music is already a commodity. You can just buy some anonymous background music to play in your restaurant. No effort required.

Yes but I don't want to hear some anonymous background music.

A better example would be Spotify replacing artist-made music recommandations with low-quality alternatives, to reduce what it pays to artists. Everyone except Spotify loses in this scenario.

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Post by Saline9515 »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #140
Saline9515 wrote: post #119

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It still requires work, dedication and produces authenticity. A world where AI can produce music instantly commoditizes it.

I mean you can just listen to human made music if that’s an important part of the experience for you. I doubt humans are going to stop anytime soon

If you flood the space with AI-made music costing a few cents to create, human artists will have a much harder time to survive professionally.
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