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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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> Text rendering. Clear and legible text is often only generated when provided in the input world description. Reminds me of when image AIs weren't able to generate text. It wasn't too long until they fixed it.

Note that the prompt and the generated chalkboard disagree on whether there's a dash or not.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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This is very encouraging progress, and probably what Demis was teasing [1] last month. A few speculations on technical details based on staring at the released clips: 1. You can see fine textures "jump" every 4 frames - which means they're most likely using a 4x-temporal-downscaling VAE with at least 4-frame interaction latency (unless the VAE is also control-conditional). Unfortunately I didn't see any real-time foo…

Regarding latency, I found a live video of gameplay here [1] and it looks like closer to 1.1s keypress-to-photon latency (33 frames @ 30fps) based on when the onscreen keys start lighting up vs when the camera starts moving. This writeup [2] from someone who tried the Genie 3 research preview mentions that "while there is some control lag, I was told that this is due to the infrastructure used to serve the model rath…

You know that thing in anxiety dreams where you feel very uncoordinated and your attempts to manipulate your surroundings result in unpredictable consequences? Like you try to slam on the brake pedal but your car doesn’t slow down, or you’re trying to get a leash on your dog to lead it out of a dangerous situation and you keep failing to hook it on the collar? Maybe that’s extra latency because your brain is trying to render the environment at the same time as it is acting.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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> To that end, we're exploring how we can make Genie 3 available to additional testers in the future. No need to explore; I can tell you how. Release the weights to the general public so that everyone can play with it and non-Google researchers can build their work upon it. Of course this isn't going to happen because "safety". Even telling us how many parameters this model has is "unsafe".

Modern AI wouldn't exist without Google's contributions. Yet they're a for-profit company. I'm ok with them keeping some things closed source every now and then.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

The guy who tried was invite by Google to try it. He seems to me too enthusiastic, such that I feel Google asked him in particular because they trusted him to write very positively.

I doubt there was a condition on writing positively. Other people who tested have said this won't replace engines. https://togelius.blogspot.com/2025/08/genie-3-and-future-of-...

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

The guy who tried was invite by Google to try it. He seems to me too enthusiastic, such that I feel Google asked him in particular because they trusted him to write very positively.

I don't know. I wasn't there and I'm excited.

I think this puts Epic Games, Nintendo, and the whole lot into a very tough spot if this tech takes off.

I don't see how Unreal Engine, with its voluminous and labyrinthine tomes of impenetrable legacy C++ code, survives this. Unreal Engine is a mess, gamers are unhappy about it, and it's a PITA to develop with. I certainly hate working with it.

Innovator's Dilemma fast approaching the entire gaming industry and they don't even see it coming it's happening so fast.

Exciting that building games could become as easy as having the idea itself. I'm imagining something like VRChat or Roblox or Fortnite, but where new things are simply spoken into existence.

It's absolutely terrifying that Google has this much power.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…

It's hard to see how there will be room for profit as this all advances There will be two classes of media: - Generated, consumed en-masse by uncreative, uninspired individuals looking for cheap thrill - Human created, consumed by discerning individuals seeking out real human talent and expression. Valuing it based merely on the knowledge that a biological brain produced (or helped produce) it. I tend to suspect that…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_Giant_AI_Experiments:_An...

people said the world could literally end if we train anything bigger than chatgpt4... I would take these projections with a handful of salt

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> Future robots may learn in their dreams... So prescient. I definitely think this will be a thing in the near future ~12-18 months time horizon

what is a robot dream when there is clearly no consciousness? What's with this insane desire for anthropomorphism? What do you even MEAN learn in its dreams? Fine-tuning overnight? Just say that!

  > What's with this insane desire for anthropomorphism?
Devil's advocate: Making the assumption that consciousness is uniquely human, and that humans are "special" is just as ludicrous.

Whether a computational medium is carbon-based or silicon-based seems irrelevant. Call it "carbon-chauvinism".

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

Nick Land kind of took this line of reasoning to its ultimate conclusion, I recommend giving his ideas a read even if they sound repulsive.

"Nothing human makes it out of the near-future."

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

Today physical world is largely mechanized, we rarely walk, run lift heavy things for survival. So we grow fat and weak unless we exercise. Tomorrow vast majority of us will never think, create, investigate for earning a living. So we will get dumb and dumber over time. A small minority of us will keep polishing their intellect but will never be smarter than machines just like the best athletes of today can't outrun…

This is surprisingly a great analogy because millions of people still run every week for their own benefit (physical and mental health, social connection, etc).

I wonder if mental exercises will move to the same category? Not necessarily a way to earn money, but something everybody does as a way of flourishing as a human.

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