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I'm shocked to find out that sex is more complicated than gender identity, and that there might be a bimodal distribution at play. I have been lied to.
Nothing in biology is really binary anyways. Male and female are just useful groupings because we’re a sexually dimorphic species, but as with anything in nature, that’s mostly a spectrum anyways, with strong representations at the anchoring ends.
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It is simple. Organisms that produce the larger of two gamete sizes are female, and organisms that produce the smaller of two gamete sizes are male. "Intersex" is a misleading term that's been phased out in favor of DSD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development ). Every person is still male or female. Women have a right to sex-specific sports, and anyone that doesn't qualify is free to compete in t…
> Organisms that produce the larger of two gamete sizes are female, and organisms that produce the smaller of two gamete sizes are male. That's one of many ways sex is defined and it's definitely useful for some purposes, but I have no idea why some people think that is appropriate for making social distinctions. > Women have a right to sex-specific sports Gender (social, including legal, categories based on sex trai…
Source? I've seen this claptrap mentioned a few times but never with a source.
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It is simple. Organisms that produce the larger of two gamete sizes are female, and organisms that produce the smaller of two gamete sizes are male. "Intersex" is a misleading term that's been phased out in favor of DSD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development ). Every person is still male or female. Women have a right to sex-specific sports, and anyone that doesn't qualify is free to compete in t…
It's been really funny watching this definition become the main right wing talking point, as every other definition they've attempted has been shot down conclusively. By this logic, individuals like those mentioned in the article above don't have any sex at all because their bodies are unable to produce gametes of any kind.
Sounds like a normal process of searching for a definition for a controversial subject.
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That a function is continuous instead of discrete doesn't make it any less real. The fact is, humans like to categorize things because it makes things easier for them to process and communicate. Categorization is frequently imperfect; accepting that is a hallmark of being an mature adult.
Sure, but discrete categories people come up with are less real the less they align-with/derive-from the actual how-things-are . I’m willing to talk about the radius of a helium atom even though there is no sharp cut-off in distance beyond which the amplitude for an electron being found there becomes zero. But not every k-means clustering on a dataset reflects a real separation into types. Just because people draw li…
And yet sometimes they are useful. Prople whose lineage originates in different places (race, if you will) do have medically significant differences (see the literature).
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> healthy You're just using more normative words, implying that you can tell what someone "really" is aside from literally any definition you can articulate, since we've established that gamete size does not apply in all cases. > Sex in humans is binary and immutable, but that doesn't mean boys can't play with dolls and girls can't like trucks or whatever dumb culture war stuff is raging. Unless you are a biologist w…
>You're just using more normative words Yes, classification is normative. This stupid debate would immediately end if people could internalize what that means.
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It is simple. Organisms that produce the larger of two gamete sizes are female, and organisms that produce the smaller of two gamete sizes are male. "Intersex" is a misleading term that's been phased out in favor of DSD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development ). Every person is still male or female. Women have a right to sex-specific sports, and anyone that doesn't qualify is free to compete in t…
> Organisms that produce the larger of two gamete sizes are female, and organisms that produce the smaller of two gamete sizes are male. That's one of many ways sex is defined and it's definitely useful for some purposes, but I have no idea why some people think that is appropriate for making social distinctions. > Women have a right to sex-specific sports Gender (social, including legal, categories based on sex trai…
> created to prevent men from having to compete with and potentially lose to women
You deeply misunderstand the origin of women's sports leagues. They were created by women for women as a result of patriarchal efforts to exclude women from sports. Men shoving their way into women's sports by way of gender identity is just one more example of males not accepting "no", and is exactly the reason why women have a right to their own spaces.
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99th percentile men will beat 99th percentile women in sports 100% of the time. There is no fairness.
We're talking about 99th percentile women competing against each other though?
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>You're just using more normative words Yes, classification is normative. This stupid debate would immediately end if people could internalize what that means.
Classification (as used by real science) is descriptive, which is the opposite of normative.
Very interesting. Relates to conversations I've had recently regarding trans people in sports. Turns out that conversation isn't simple, because gender is way more complex than the binary M/F options society has tried to act like it is. Between reasons like in this article, or being born intersex, etc, there are definitely people with female chromosomes who have competed in men's sports, or people with female sex org…
XX division
Unlimited division for everyone else
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If that is so, why does a black couple bear black children, and a white couple bear white children? I'll concede that much in the way of "race" is a social construct, but to claim there's no biology involved is categorically false.
race is a category assigned based on crudely determined heritable traits, but looking at the genetics you don't get the same categories. dark skin is a convergent evolutionary trait that comes from living near the equator, you don't need the groups to be related at all for them to arrive at a similar skin tone. the same goes for all skin tones in fact. racial categories actually don't make sense from a biological per…