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More women than expected are genetically men (2016)

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Re: More women than expected are genetically men (2016)

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Post by Barrin92 »

_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

Stood out for me as well. For all I care you could tell me I'm genetically a giraffe or I was sent here from Alpha Centauri. If I was fine with it an hour ago when you hadn't told me I'm fine with it now

Re: More women than expected are genetically men (2016)

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Post by pseudosavant »

Very interesting. Relates to conversations I've had recently regarding trans people in sports. Turns out that conversation isn't simple, because gender is way more complex than the binary M/F options society has tried to act like it is.

Between reasons like in this article, or being born intersex, etc, there are definitely people with female chromosomes who have competed in men's sports, or people with female sex organs and male chromosomes that have competed in female sports. I don't know what the "fairness" answer is, but these are real people.

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

"Genetically men," a specific phrase used in TFA that adds the word "genetically," refers to a specific, contextually-dependent definition of sex as determined chromosomally (your sex genes). Hence, XY = "genetic man"

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Post by MattGaiser »

_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

We are culturally far from accepting that though.

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Post by otterley »

_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

> Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determine gender?

This statement is extremely controversial. The gender attribution wars are still burning like the Springfield tire fire.

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Post by [deleted] »

kulahan wrote: post #8
etchalon wrote: post #5

I'm shocked to find out that sex is more complicated than gender identity, and that there might be a bimodal distribution at play. I have been lied to.

Nothing in biology is really binary anyways. Male and female are just useful groupings because we’re a sexually dimorphic species, but as with anything in nature, that’s mostly a spectrum anyways, with strong representations at the anchoring ends.

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Post by otterley »

drdeca wrote: post #9
_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

Race is a substantially less real concept than sex is.

What does "real" mean here?

Re: More women than expected are genetically men (2016)

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Post by postepowanieadm »

_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

It's about sex, not gender. And it's about Scandinavia, not the USA.

Re: More women than expected are genetically men (2016)

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Post by KevinMS »

_lvbh wrote: post #6

> “It is very upsetting for people who have grown up and lived for years believing that they are of a particular sex to suddenly discover that they are actually of the opposite sex. This can be a relief but can also be a loss. For most people it comes as a shock that upends their whole identity. Coping with this can take years,” I find this statement odd. Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determi…

> Haven't we already established that chromosomes do not determine gender?

No we haven't. And in fact, the cases cited in the article still have gender determined by chromosomes, just not the basic XY, XX configurations.

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