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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by tolien » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:28 PM UTC

aunty_helen wrote: post #207

tolien wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Muddying the "simple argument" would be lumping stalkers in with people inciting violence against foreigners and posting nasty comments about the Prime Minister, to make some kind of point about the police. That would be ridiculous.

Stalking: Already a Crime Inciting Violence: Already a Crime Posting nasty comments: Not a crime. Glad I could clear things up for you.

Yet implying people are being arrested for the latter, while showing examples of the first two. Clear as mud.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by basisword » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:30 PM UTC

cbeach wrote: post #150

Say what you will about JD Vance but he has passionately confronted the European elites on their surveillance overreach and clearly it's had an impact. We may not like everything about the current American administration, but credit where due.

If you really believe that the propaganda is working well.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by cmsj » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:33 PM UTC

miohtama wrote: post #164

What could go wrong? The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. > Now every force in the country has a team sifting through people’s posts trying to determine what crosses an undefined threshold. “It is a complete nightmare,” one officer admits Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/05/15/britains-police... From The Economi…

On the one hand, freedom of speech is great. On the other hand, you have whatever the fuck is going on in America these days, and that is not great.

So... I dunno, neither option is good.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by geek_at » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:34 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #195

miohtama wrote: post #164

What could go wrong? The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. > Now every force in the country has a team sifting through people’s posts trying to determine what crosses an undefined threshold. “It is a complete nightmare,” one officer admits Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/05/15/britains-police... From The Economi…

> The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. I though it could not be true, but actually it is...WTF? https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-0022...

In Europe we don't value free speech as high as the US.

There is "forbidden speech" (around lying about Holocaust related topics and insulting people online) and I think it's a good thing in total. You spew out the worst of the worst on the internet you should be able to be held accountable

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Ray20 » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:38 PM UTC

slater wrote: post #183

HPsquared wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

12k a year?!? That is a staggering number. I wonder what the stats were in East Germany (though they may have had harsher punishments.. that can be ratcheted up later though once the system is in place)

> 12k a year?!? That is a staggering number. (i think OP might be speedrunning a "what opinions, mfer?" goose meme thing. i bet the reason is "for posting right-wing nationalistic garbage likely to incite hatred", or similar)

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by sircastor » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:39 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #6

I assumed they’d only have asked for it if they’d already OKed it with the US, and that it was probably part of a plan to give US access too via 5-eyes sharing. Turns out it was not 4D chess after all…

I think if we'd had a "normal" administration, this probably would have been pushed by the US government. The US services have been gunning for this for decades. But we have an administration that seems extremely disjointed in what it wants to do and why it wants to do it. I'm kind of curious about the internal conversations that must be happening on the other side of 5-eyes nations services as they're trying to accomplish their ends with such an unpredictable ally.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by OtherShrezzing » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:41 PM UTC

aunty_helen wrote: post #207

tolien wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Muddying the "simple argument" would be lumping stalkers in with people inciting violence against foreigners and posting nasty comments about the Prime Minister, to make some kind of point about the police. That would be ridiculous.

Stalking: Already a Crime Inciting Violence: Already a Crime Posting nasty comments: Not a crime. Glad I could clear things up for you.

I think Connelly was sentenced with inciting violence, rather than nasty comments.

The medium she used to incite violence was a comment on a website. But she still incited violence, and was charged accordingly.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Xss3 » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:48 PM UTC

miohtama wrote: post #164

What could go wrong? The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. > Now every force in the country has a team sifting through people’s posts trying to determine what crosses an undefined threshold. “It is a complete nightmare,” one officer admits Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/05/15/britains-police... From The Economi…

Is it surprising that 12,000 out of 60,000,000 post illegal things like calls for violence (burn migrants to death, etc) per year?

Reminder that incitement is a crime in the USA too and there's nothing in the constitution that says it's okay just because it's on twitter not irl.

So far every story ive seen about arrest has been pretty cut and dry, they were blatantly hitler level racist, homophobic, or calling for others to attack people for their protected characteristics (eg race or sex).

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by giantg2 » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:50 PM UTC

miohtama wrote: post #164

What could go wrong? The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. > Now every force in the country has a team sifting through people’s posts trying to determine what crosses an undefined threshold. “It is a complete nightmare,” one officer admits Britain’s police are restricting speech in worrying ways https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/05/15/britains-police... From The Economi…

I would bet the US arrests a similar number for online posts. A common one that comes up over here is a kid posting a picture at a shooting range, without any threat, and the police questioning/arresting the kid and/or parents. Same thing for kids talking about a video game and stuff.

Edit: why disagree?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by handedness » Mon, Jul 21, 2025, 8:50 PM UTC

fluidcruft wrote: post #136

Silhouette wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you really have access to secret information of that significance and you really are under an NDA that prohibits you from talking about it then why are you casually posting innuendo about it on HN?

There are a lot of things that are publicly known but if he's signed an NDA he can't point at them or acknowledge their authenticity. Anyway Pegasus isn't even the correct ballpark lol.

Cellebrite, on the other hand...

Edit: And Magnet, and the internal capabilities of an acronymical agency or three...