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Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by cheema33 »

falcor84 wrote: post #98
codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

> Google can't as easily burn money I was actually surprised at Google's willingness to offer Gemini 2.5 Pro via AI Studio for free; having this was a significant contributor to my decision to cancel my OpenAI subscription.

I pay for ChatGPT, Anthropic and Copilot. After using Gemini 2.5 Pro via AI Studio, I plan on canceling all other paid AI services. There is no point in keeping them.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by Alifatisk »

Wow, reading these comments it seems like Gemini 2.5 Pro Exp (assuming from gemini.google.com and not from Google Ai studio) is actually worth giving a shot! Is it really that impressive of a model now?

I've been using Qwen Chat a lot for the last couple of months because I got tired of Claudes small quota for free users, ChatGPTs inferior models and absurd pricing and Geminis (the previous models) heavy guardrails and censorship, like to the point that sincerely prompts actually triggers refusal.

I'll try Gemini 2.5 Pro Exp again and see how well it performs this time.

Also, did anyone notice that the ui of Google ai studio has changed? Can't find any mentions of this update in the release notes https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/changelog

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by einsteinx2 »

logicchains wrote: post #132
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is also terribly paranoid of the LLM saying anything controversial. If you want a summary of some hot topic article you might not have the time to read, Gemini will straight up refuse to answer. ChatGPT and Grok don't mind at all.

Not a fan of Google, but if you use Gemini through AI studio with a custom prompt and filters disabled it's by far the least censored commercial model in my experience.

Less censored than Grok?

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Post by esperent »

thawab wrote: post #92
esperent wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> clien or roo code What's the difference between Cline and Roo Code now? Originally Roo was a fork of Cline that added a couple of extra settings. But now it seems like an entirely different app, with it's own website even. https://roocode.com/

I hope this will help: https://www.reddit.com/r/RooCode/comments/1jn372q/roocode_vs...

It does, thank you. Looks like Roo decided to add all the options.

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Post by palata »

ramraj07 wrote: post #159
codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

I don't know what you did there, but clearly being ex OpenAI isn't the intellectual or product flex it is: I and every other smart person I know still use ChatGPT (paid) because even now it's the best at what it does and we keep trying Google and Claude and keep coming back. They got and as of now continue to get things right for the most part. If you still aren'ĥt seeing it maybe you should introspect what you're mi…

> I and every other smart person I know still use ChatGPT (paid)

Not at all my experience, but maybe I'm not part of a smart group :)

> because even now it's the best at what it does

Actually I don't see a difference with Mistral or DeepSeek.

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Post by franze »

ploxiln wrote: post #162
ghurtado wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> undercutting Netscape’s browser It almost sounds like you're saying that Netscape wasn't free, and I'm pretty sure it was always free, before and after Microsoft Explorer

> Netscape, in contrast, sells the consumer version of Navigator for a suggested price of $49. Users can download a free evaluation copy from the Internet, but it expires in 90 days and does not include technical support. https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/19/business/netscape-moves-t...

yeah, it was free as the evaluation copy did not really expire. just some features that nobody cared about

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by chasd00 »

ramraj07 wrote: post #195
epolanski wrote: post #174

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I don't know your experience doesn't match mine. NotebookLM by Google is in a class of its own in the use case of "provide documents and ask a chat or questions about them" for personal use. ChatGPT and Claude are nowhere near. ChatGPT uses RAG so it "understands" less about the topic and sometimes hallucinate. When it comes to coding Claude 3.5/3.7 embedded in Cursor or stand alone kept giving better results in real…

Time for my next round of Evals then. I had a 40 PR coding streak last weekend with mostly o3-mini-pro, will test the latest 2.5 now.

PR = pull request? So every bit of garbage from the LLM, over and over, resulted in an individual pull request? Why not just do one when your branch is finally right?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by Bewelge »

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote: post #17
oezi wrote: post #7

Their technical progress is indeed impressive. And their price dumping of 2.5 Pro for free will have moved a lot of technical users. The key question is if the can stop the decline in search or pivot their revenue streams to Gemini.

Is there really a decline in web searches or in Google's usage vs competitors? Seems like one of those greatly exaggerated rumors?

From a personal website, that's been pretty constantly getting 2k hits from Google each week:

Bing 150-200 / week

Yandex ~100 / week

DDG ~50 / week

ChatGPT is now at ~50 hits a week.

So from that data it looks like Google still has their comfortable 80%+ market share. But I think it's interesting if you think about the kind of users that use these products. In my mind, the alternative search engines are used mostly by techies and people that care about their privacy (also often techies), but ChatGPT is used by a much broader slice of the population.

But maybe I'm projecting because my own search behaviour has changed so dramatically with ChatGPT & Claude having replaced a substantial part of my Google searches.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by mikehotel »

falcor84 wrote: post #98
codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

> Google can't as easily burn money I was actually surprised at Google's willingness to offer Gemini 2.5 Pro via AI Studio for free; having this was a significant contributor to my decision to cancel my OpenAI subscription.

From the terms of use:

To help with quality and improve our products, human reviewers may read, annotate, and process your API input and output. Google takes steps to protect your privacy as part of this process. This includes disconnecting this data from your Google Account, API key, and Cloud project before reviewers see or annotate it. Do not submit sensitive, confidential, or personal information to the Unpaid Services.

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms#data-use-unpaid

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