Google is winning on every AI front • Hacker News Board

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by sublimefire » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:38 AM UTC

levocardia wrote: post #51

Google is winning on every front except... marketing (Google has a chatbot?), trust (who knew the founding fathers were so diverse?), safety (where's the 2.5 Pro model card?), market share (fully one in ten internet users on the planet are weekly ChatGPT users), and, well, vibes (who's rooting for big G, exactly?). But I will admit, Gemini Pro 2.5 is a legit good model. So, hats off for that.

It might be worth throwing in an analogy to windows PCs vs Mac vs Linux. G appeals to a subset of the market at the end of the day, being “best” does not mean everyone will use it.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by zmmmmm » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:38 AM UTC

I haven't seen anyone else integrate LLMs properly with email and calendar other than Google.

I had an interesting experience: I was taking out a loan for some solar panels and there were some complicated instructions across multiple emails. I asked Gemini to summarise exactly what I had to do. It looked through my emails and told me I had to go to the web site for local rebate scheme and apply there. It even emphasised that it was important that I do that. I scoffed at it because I thought my installer was going to do that and wrote it off. A few weeks later, guess what: the installer calls me because they can't see the rebate application in their portal and want me to go check that I applied for it (!). Sure enough, I missed the language in the email telling me to do that and had to do exactly what Gemini had said weeks ago.

I do think Google has a real shot here because they have such an integrated email and calendaring solution where everyone already assumes it's online, fully indexed etc.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by rzz3 » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:39 AM UTC

levocardia wrote: post #51

Google is winning on every front except... marketing (Google has a chatbot?), trust (who knew the founding fathers were so diverse?), safety (where's the 2.5 Pro model card?), market share (fully one in ten internet users on the planet are weekly ChatGPT users), and, well, vibes (who's rooting for big G, exactly?). But I will admit, Gemini Pro 2.5 is a legit good model. So, hats off for that.

You really hit the nail on the head with trust. Knowing the power of these AIs and how absolutely little I trust Google, I’d never tell trust Gemini with the things I’ll say to ChatGPT.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by ghurtado » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:41 AM UTC

ff4 wrote: post #136

falcor84 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google can't as easily burn money I was actually surprised at Google's willingness to offer Gemini 2.5 Pro via AI Studio for free; having this was a significant contributor to my decision to cancel my OpenAI subscription.

Google offering Gemini 2.5 Pro for free, enough to ditch OpenAI, reminds me of an old tactic. Microsoft gained control in the '90s by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows for free, undercutting Netscape’s browser. This leveraged Windows’ dominance to make Explorer the default choice, sidelining competitors and capturing the browser market. By 1998, Netscape’s share plummeted, and Microsoft controlled access to the…

> undercutting Netscape’s browser

It almost sounds like you're saying that Netscape wasn't free, and I'm pretty sure it was always free, before and after Microsoft Explorer

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by ramraj07 » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:45 AM UTC

throw1223323 wrote: post #135

ksec wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (And don't let me get started with Sam Altman.) Please do.

Based on his interview with Joe Rogan, he has absolutely no imagination about what it means if humans actually manage to build general AI. Rogan basically ends up introducting him to some basic ideas about transhumanism. To me, he is a finance bro grifter who lucked into his current position. Without Ilya he would still be peddling WorldCoin.

Coming up next: dumb and dumber schools Noam Chomsky on modern philosophy...

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by CSMastermind » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:45 AM UTC

I run every query I do through all the major models, up to 10 of them at this point.

Benchmarks aside Gemini 2.5 Pro is a great model and now often produces the best code for me but it's not notably better than any of the other frontier models in my testing each of which tends to have their own strengths and weaknesses.

And Google's wrapper around Gemini is easily the most frustrating of any of the major AI companies. It's content guardrails are annoying and I just learned yesterday it won't let you upload json files for whatever reason (change the extension to txt without modifying the contents in any way and it works just fine).

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by mekpro » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:46 AM UTC

Google is also the only company that has had their own AI hardware that's worked (TPU). This could lead to more cost-effective training + inference and hence better AI.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by thomassmith65 » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:47 AM UTC

Turfie wrote: post #81

glimshe wrote: post #19

Gemini Pro 2.5 is fantastic. I'm anti Google and a long time ChatGPT user. I use it for text review and research and it's well ahead the competition. Let's see how long they last giving it for free.

Why are you anti Google?

Google collects and stores grotesque amounts of data about the public https://takeout.google.com

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by ramraj07 » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:48 AM UTC

codelord wrote: post #31

As an Ex-OpenAI employee I agree with this. Most of the top ML talent at OpenAI already have left to either do their own thing or join other startups. A few are still there but I doubt if they'll be around in a year. The main successful product from OpenAI is the ChatGPT app, but there's a limit on how much you can charge people for subscription fees. I think soon people expect this service to be provided for free an…

I don't know what you did there, but clearly being ex OpenAI isn't the intellectual or product flex it is: I and every other smart person I know still use ChatGPT (paid) because even now it's the best at what it does and we keep trying Google and Claude and keep coming back.

They got and as of now continue to get things right for the most part. If you still aren'ĥt seeing it maybe you should introspect what you're missing.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by yalok » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 9:48 AM UTC

ozgune wrote: post #111

I feel the article presents the data selectively in some places. Two examples: * The article compares Gemini 2.5 Pro Experimental to DeepSeek-R1 in accuracy benchmarks. Then, when the comparison becomes about cost, it compares Gemini 2.0 Flash to DeepSeek-R1. * In throughput numbers, DeepSeek-R1 is quoted at 24 tok/s. There are half a dozen providers, who give you easily 100+ tok/s and at scale. There's no doubt that…

but also they compare reasoning and non-reasoning models - e.g. Meta's Llama 4