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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Pooge »

9283409232 wrote: post #210
Pooge wrote: post #206

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> You'll have to explain to me how a wealth tax hit the poor because the poor do not have wealth I'm sorry, perhaps "poor" wasn't the best word. But let me explain what I was thinking: I live in Switzerland where wealth tax is very much more annoying to the middle-class than the rich. This is because it starts at around CHF80'000--a lot of people qualify--and isn't taxed progressively above CHF2 million. While the ri…

You've made yourself very understandable, thank you for explaining further. Doing a Francs to Dollars conversion, 80,000 francs is around 90,000 USD. This is much lower than it should be in my opinion. For comparison, Biden's proposed wealth tax would only affect people with $1 billion in assets or people $100 million in income for three consecutive years[1]. This is not only less than 1% of the country, it's less th…

Yep, indeed this kind of wealth tax would seem much more popular. I wonder how well it would do in a federal vote in Switzerland.

I am very much in favor of increasing taxes for the very wealthy ($100 million in net worth seems like a good start).

I just don't want that kind of tax to do collateral damage to middle-class people. For example, Switzerland doesn't have capital gains tax (!!!) except if trading is your profession. If we introduce capital gains tax, sure it will tax the rich but they will be able to wave it off while middle-class investors will get hit too. That's why I said in my initial comment that it could be wise to only tax those that invested for less than 10 years. We could also imagine a system where your capital gains are taxed based on your net worth after the trade.

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Post by bloppe »

treesknees wrote: post #132
Volundr wrote: post #121

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This seems more like an indictment of iOS than collusion between search and browser vendors. I'm using Kagi as my default search on Android, Linux, Mac, and Windows, both Chrome and Firefox. The kind of nonsense your describing us why iOS doesn't show up in my list of devices.

My point was more that you claimed to not understand and I was just providing an example where it does take longer than “15 seconds” to switch to Kagi. iOS/iPhone has the majority mobile market share in many countries including the United States. If you’re unaware, Google is currently being sued by the US government for establishing a monopoly over search engine placement including payments to Apple and Mozilla to ke…

Google pays to be the default. AFAIK they don't pay to make the switching experience maliciously difficult. After all, the switching experience on Android is dead simple. That seems to be another unilateral decision by Apple to keep you in your lane.

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Post by amelius »

ZiiS wrote: post #109
amelius wrote: post #101

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Relax, they didn't write the entire browser. It's webkit based.

That seems like saying people who climb Everest are not starting in the Mariana Trench. The fact you could have made it ten times harder doesn't necessarily stop it being foolhardy.

Wrong analogy if you ask me. Building a browser without the render engine and scripting engine is a walk in the park compared to building the entire thing, which would correspond to climbing the mt Everest.

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Post by BoredPositron »

erics118 wrote: post #190
BoredPositron wrote: post #29

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They started with Orion.

Their original product was an AI product, that later transformed into the search engine. Then, Orion was developed https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/history.html

Yeah, probably messed up the timeline because Orion had an earlier public release.

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Post by saagarjha »

kerkeslager wrote: post #154
saagarjha wrote: post #129

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If only we had a field of computer science dedicated to analyzing the security properties of black boxes…

I'm curious how you think this can be analyzed effectively . Yes, I'm aware of bytecode analysis, but that's a slow difficult process, and for browsers, the release cycle is short enough that by the time you're done analyzing the current version, a new version is out, and it's significantly harder and less useful to diff a binary, so you end up having to basically start the analysis over for the new version. Unless t…

Evaluating browser security is hard. Checking privacy guarantees is easy: you can just look at the traffic it generates. Vlad has a pretty simple and quite strong policy that Kagi doesn’t phone home unless you agree to it. If you find it does otherwise (should be pretty easy to monitor) you should take it up with him.

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Post by Nextgrid »

superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

> they still require your address

Provide a random one if this matters to you? It's not like they have any way to check.

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Post by dcow »

erics118 wrote: post #192
dcow wrote: post #162

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Didn’t Kagi ship Orion first , before the search product?

No, they made Kagi first. See their history page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/history.html

It’s a little deceptive. While early work began on Kagi prior to Orion, Orion launched prior to Kagi becoming GA. I think that can be interpreted in relatively different ways, mine being that I got to experience Orion as a product before Kagi. Anyway thanks for the timeline link.

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Post by mbarria »

CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

If what you worry is about privacy, Kagi has very strong privacy features that shouldn't be vulnerable to gov interference. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

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Post by mbarria »

palata wrote: post #139

I have been a happy user of Kagi search for a couple years, but I really hope they don't start going everywhere. They have Kagi translate, they also mentioned building an email service. I like Kagi search because it works well. I actively avoid their other products because I want to encourage them to stay focused and make a good product.

Orion Browser is basically as old a product as Kagi Search.

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Post by iimblack »

vvpan wrote: post #24
galleywest200 wrote: post #22

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It seems that a lot of them are sort of "off" by default to keep search focused on search. If you want to get an LLM summary of a search, for example, end the search with a question mark. Example: "what is gravity?" instead of "what is gravity". The summarizer lives at a different page, here: https://kagi.com/summarizer/

Oh I see. I knew "lenses" existed but as you say it's a multi-step process to use them and not from the browser search bar.

Lenses can be setup with bang notation. So a research lens could use !r your-query-here
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