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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by latexr »

mavhc wrote: post #189
bandyaboot wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly if someone were to send me a message that only required a simple acknowledgement, and that person hypothetically had disabled reactions, I would interpret that as that person not wanting their message to be acknowledged. But I suspect what you’re really wanting is typed acknowledgment?

I don't want my messages acknowledged, it's just The Generals Problem. I assume you've read it and understood it, if you don't understand or agree, let me know, otherwise don't waste my time, I don't need people to say Thanks, you're paying me to do it

> I assume you've read it and understood it, if you don't understand or agree, let me know

You’ve replaced “read” in the first part with “agree” in the second, and those are not at all the same thing. I can’t let you know that I haven’t read your message.

If a parent says to the other “hey, I’m running late, I need you to pick up Tiny Tim from school”, an acknowledgement is paramount even if you read, understood, and agreed to the message.

> it's just The Generals Problem.

That problem is concerned with an unreliable communication channel, which does not apply to the situation.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by [deleted] »

CalRobert wrote: post #178
maeil wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come over to my place and we can possibly be the first people ever to bond over their home wifi SSIDs ;)

I really miss the days when people put time and thought in to their SSIDs instead of using the defaults

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by vishnugupta »

stratocumulus0 wrote: post #31

I remember seeing that some people in the corporate world put a capital J instead of a dot in some sentences. I first brushed this off as some artificial corporate level of politeness that's not too forward (the hook of a J does indeed look like a smiling face). Turns out that 4xA, the value of J in ASCII, is occupied by a smiley face in Wingdings. I still struggle to get it how did the Outlook email client know whic…

Haha I too was confused about this J character for a long time and took it for some corporate thing when I first started out on a full time corporate job.

Took me years until I got a windows laptop and saw emails in outlook.

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Post by p_l »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #78
whyoh wrote: post #65

This kinda reminds me of a feature Windows (Phone) used to have, where it would share your Wi-Fi password with the device's contacts automatically. To opt-out you had to add _optout to the SSID name. https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sens... It looks like this feature was removed eventually, but it's just one of those tasteless things that MS does every once in a while.

Opting out via ssid is pull the table cloth off at a wedding level absurd. Effectively this design is we saying we respect you so little that you might be able deactivate this feature if tattoo your choice on your face but we might might ignore that too because fuck you for disagreeing. Iirc the same optout method is used opting out of WiFi scanning. Blanket behavior like this should always be opt in with explicit in…

Unfortunately, depending on country the same legal rules that make SSID mapping legal without any requirements for opt out are also rules that protect your freedom in other ways[1].

The proper way would be to design the protocol so that the identification information is useless in addition to disabling SSID broadcast.

That would of course mean that joining a device to network would be way harder unless you enabled at least network name broadcasting, which enables tracking again.

[1] under polish law, majority [2] of uses of received broadcast/shared public medium signal, is automatically legal. The only provision of privacy is encryption of said signal, because it's treated like shouting the information in public space.

Bypassing encryption is what turns it into unlawful violation of privacy.

[2] for historical reasons there's a mess involving radio&TV tax which was supposed to be paid per receiver, a bit like UK TV license.

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Post by prmoustache »

CalRobert wrote: post #178
maeil wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come over to my place and we can possibly be the first people ever to bond over their home wifi SSIDs ;)

I really miss the days when people put time and thought in to their SSIDs instead of using the defaults

On of my neighbors SSID used to be some bad words towards people working in IT. I think he got some bad experience with his ISP support.

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Post by fireflash38 »

nlawalker wrote: post #119
verandaguy wrote: post #115

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It's opt in for the person with the option to share network credentials. It's not opt-in for the owner of the network, who should really have a say in the matter. I do use this feature from time to time, but it's typically on networks where either I'm the owner, or the owner's given me permission to share the creds. This also opens up an attack surface (which I got to experience firsthand on a burner device at DEF CO…

> It's not opt-in for the owner of the network, who should really have a say in the matter. Why? It’s literally just a shortcut for asking for the password from someone who already has it and then having it read it out loud or texted. If the owner of the network doesn’t want that happening they need to explain that in either case.

It reminds me a bit of how Waze or Google Maps would end up using access roads as shortcuts with navigation. You let a couple of people use it because you know them. They might tell a few others. Then big tech just sees it as "other people use it, so I'll use it". And now you have no control over your road anymore.

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Post by folmar »

bandyaboot wrote: post #16
morder wrote: post #12

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I would love to disable that on my client. I never want to see reactions.

Honestly if someone were to send me a message that only required a simple acknowledgement, and that person hypothetically had disabled reactions, I would interpret that as that person not wanting their message to be acknowledged. But I suspect what you’re really wanting is typed acknowledgment?

Most of the time I would be fine with the plain old read receipt + no other mail stating protest. The reactions have too different set between clients to convey enough meaning for me.

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Post by p_l »

throwaway3306a wrote: post #147
ryandrake wrote: post #57

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Some people pay per text message received. So, they have to ask each and every one of their iMessage-using friends to please not send these ridiculous reactions, because they are ultimately another text message which will cost money. If that counts as "forcing others to adapt their communication" well then I'm sorry, but their preference is my cost, so I don't think it's out of line to politely ask them not to. Ultim…

What, pay for receiving messages? I have never seen that, not during roaming or even on IoT plans or completely free plans.

Was(is?) common in USA

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Post by artinmg »

mavhc wrote: post #189
bandyaboot wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly if someone were to send me a message that only required a simple acknowledgement, and that person hypothetically had disabled reactions, I would interpret that as that person not wanting their message to be acknowledged. But I suspect what you’re really wanting is typed acknowledgment?

I don't want my messages acknowledged, it's just The Generals Problem. I assume you've read it and understood it, if you don't understand or agree, let me know, otherwise don't waste my time, I don't need people to say Thanks, you're paying me to do it

Although it seems the military metaphor of Two Generals' Problem which I assume you're referencing is incidental, it's ironic that in the actual military all communication from superior to subordinate must be acknowledged perfunctorily, at least in very disciplined services like the United States Marine Corps.

For example, if a sergeant says to a private "It's a nice day outside.", the private is obliged to respond, even if the statement is rhetorical. This leads to perfunctory responses, in this case it would be "Aye aye sergeant", or "Aye sergeant", or more casually "Er" or "Kill". You're not obliged to agree, just to acknowledge. Pretty similar to tapback responses in messenger apps and emails.

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Post by boffinAudio »

renewiltord wrote: post #153
wordofx wrote: post #101

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This was a good feature. Thankfully it still exists in iOS. Just requires approval.

The iOS implementation of this feature is perfect.

No it isn't, it leaks data to Apple whether you opt in or not.
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