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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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This is called whataboutism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism It's a common tactic to deflect attention away from the accusation and change the subject.

Please make your substantive points without canned arguments / internet tropes like 'whataboutism'. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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I dont think anyone here thinks it is a conspiracy. And I'm sure everyone here expects apple to take proper responsibility. But whataboutism about other companies doesn't hide the fact that there were/are violations. This isn't gonna kill apple, don't worry nor will it permanently tarnish their reputation you're so worried about. But it is a big deal when they do spout green initiatives then get busted for stuff like…

Please make your substantive points without canned arguments / internet tropes like 'whataboutism'. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Can anyone find the OP on epa.gov? That would be preferable to a dropbox.com link.

We merged half a dozen of these threads. Related URLs follow. If there are others, let me know here and I can add them.

https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1805006150410162322 and https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1805006150410162322.html

https://mastodon.social/@ashleygjovik/112668309100333232/

https://www.ashleygjovik.com/3250scott.html

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in line of when I worked in a semiconductor lab in suburban UK in the 90s. We had a couple of local residents report problems immediately even though we hadn't even started fabrication at that point. They eventually sent out a press release saying that we had moved manufacturing to Scotland. The complaints stopped instantly. The lab was running until at least 2017 with no complaints and regular inspections fr…

> YMMV but some people are crazy. The EPA is however not. But what the EPA say and what the woman claims are disparate. To complicate it further, this woman did in fact live on top of an industrially-zone area which had industrial contamination on site. The apartments are very new (finished construction in ~2019) and they had to agree to a ton of cleanup to get permits to build. There are so many confounding factors…

I'm honestly surprised the area is zoned for residential; the central expressway corridor has lots of industry nearby, including Intel. Plus that apt complex is right next the intersection of a major highway and major expressway, which won't be helping anyone breathe.

But she's not the only resident and I haven't heard any indication of a class action.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

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You can't post like this to HN, and we ban accounts that do, so please don't.

If someone else is wrong, you are of course welcome to respond with correct information and better arguments.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Edit: you crossed into personal attack in at least one other recent comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40643584) and we've also had to warn you about breaking the site guidelines in the past (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35105366). That's not cool, so please don't do this again.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

Your slander doesn't mesh with the EPA report.

Please make your substantive points without swipes.

If someone else is wrong, the thing to do is either (1) respond with correct information and better arguments; or (2) let go and move on.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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The author of this has been on a crusade against Apple for years, stemming from an incident that was probably hypochondria. They've outright lied about multiple incidents (see https://twitter.com/shantinix/status/1433297575914971136 ), and I would very strongly doubt any new claims made. For example, a spot check of one of the claims has them currently saying "Still, Gjovik’s limited testing returned results showing…

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Posting like this will get you banned here. No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: your account has unfortunately been repeatedly posting comments with swipes in them. Examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40229264 (May 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40224510 (May 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38495066 (Dec 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35970720 (May 2023)

That's one of the things the site guidelines specifically ask you not to do, so if you'd please not do any more of that, we'd appreciate it.

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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a Colgate manufacturing plant and we were given about a week heads up when the FDA would come do an inspection, we would know the exact day about 3 days before, and we would have about a 4hr heads up when they'll arrive. The way the plant operates normally and when they're there is night and day. We will shut down lines and clean for whole shifts leading up to it and when they're there we'll double the st…

According to the mastodon post this situation is a bit different because it was a (whistleblower?) complaint and thus it was supposed to be a surprise vs typically announced inspections.

Point still stand though, the heads up makes the inspections mostly pointless
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