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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by uxp8u61q »

faebi wrote: post #161

Many of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Tesla's are using regen too much, which let's them accumulate surface rust. This won't fail you in other countries, but it does in Germany since it's part of the braking system. The obvious solution would be a software update to use the breaks occasionally and intensely. I'm disappointed by the TÜV since they do not list the act…

Oh, okay, it's just the brakes that are degraded folks, nothing to see here!

...really? One of the core elements of your car, the one that will kill you if it fails, is degraded, and that's not a big deal? What will it take?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #167
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

Even if we take for granted that Tesla is a net positive, Tesla isn't SV. For every Tesla there is a Facebook that is a net negative. Just ask Myanmar.

> Tesla isn't SV. For every Tesla there is a Facebook

Totally agree. But looking at specifics, and dissecting why they work or do not, helps suss out patterns.

For example, Tesla’s benefits are amplified—perhaps even characterised—by their ecosystem effect. That doesn’t happen when you have a quasi-monopoly like Facebook. On the other hand, their downsides are largely a function of lying. That’s common across Silicon Valley, and may similarly have a systematic treatment. (Or, at least, if you’re replicating the model, consider removing that in your iteration.)

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by dataking »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #195
hmottestad wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

Norway has been has been massively subsidising EVs for a decade. While Tesla probably played a role in EV adoption, I think you are overstating it by a lot. If the main factor wasn't economic we would see these same stats in every other country where a Tesla can be bought.

Norway is one of the countries with the highest GDP per capita. I think this puts the norwegian consumer in a better position to by an EV even if it costs more than a comparable ICE vehicle. Not sure that is true all over the world.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by adamors »

namdnay wrote: post #119
arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

Yeah the presence of Dacia at the bottom leads one to suspect correlation with other factors, given that Dacia are quite reliable by design (they literally take the most reliable parts from the Renaults of 10+ years ago and repackage them as new models) As you say, I suspect the lack of scheduled maintenance significantly impacts the ratings here

Dacias are definitely not reliable.

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Post by Ntrails »

nomad_dude wrote: post #210
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

What do you mean by “ICE cars?”

Internal Combustion Engine

Aka petrol/diesel

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jzig »

nomad_dude wrote: post #210
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

What do you mean by “ICE cars?”

Internal combustion engine

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by fsloth »

Someone wrote: post #191
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport That, too, is up for discussion, but not for now. I’ll leave it by saying that, without Tesla willing to sell cars at a loss for a long time, it might be a bit less further on that path, but I think California and/or the EU would have forced it by now to get on that path, by setting goals for cars sold within their jurisdictions ( ht…

Without Tesla German incumbents would have lobbied EU just to mandate biofuels and there would be fever EV:s. Tesla did drag an industry kicking and screaming to EVs.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by uxp8u61q »

arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

How is this not an indication of quality? They're not inspecting cars for kicks and giggles, they're inspecting them to make sure you're not hurtling a death device that will kill you and fellow drivers on the autobahn.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by uxp8u61q »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #148
philjackson wrote: post #137

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4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many.

> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.

> it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles

If you don't care about your environmental impact. I'm getting tired of these talking points where you shouldn't assume any kind of responsibility for your "preferences".

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nickpp »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #167
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

Even if we take for granted that Tesla is a net positive, Tesla isn't SV. For every Tesla there is a Facebook that is a net negative. Just ask Myanmar.

TV helped changing quite a few regimes throughout history, and not always for the better. However, I do not think anybody would dispute the fact that TV was, overall, a net positive for mankind.

Same with Silicon Valley. There are certain negative aspects to it but overall we are discussing this on the amazing supercomputer it created, with software it wrote, on platforms it maintains [1]. I seriously doubt the majority of people would want to go back to a world without SV's innovations.

[1] of course it wasn't SV alone, there were many contributions from all around the world, it's just that SV spearheaded the changes and lead us on this path.

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