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Does anybody know who is currently CEO of OpenAI? Friday, Sam. Saturday, Mira. Sunday was a day off, Monday it was Emmet so who is it for today? Kidding aside, the board is under more and more pressure but - surprisingly - they haven't folded yet. I am interpreting that as that they are trying to get something out of it that nobody is willing to give them. The new CEO is also surprisingly not to be found at all, no p…
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> made similar but slightly lesser "call me" offers to all of them Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. > ??? The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very 'ride or die.' It's weird.
> Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. Doesn't fit. In the scenario where they're all thinking that, nobody has to follow up with the same offer after the first person says it. > The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very '…
Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm.
> How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"?
It's called hyperbole
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No, the point is they would not have to start building everything from scratch.
That only happens if Microsoft acquires all of OpenAI, not if they just poach the employees. Poaching means starting again even if they have the road map in their head.
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> Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent. Doesn't mean they genuinely want them. Doesn't fit. In the scenario where they're all thinking that, nobody has to follow up with the same offer after the first person says it. > The behaviour demonstrated by many of the staff on twitter is, for want of a better word, unhinged. Odd declarations of loyalty. 4am posts. Retweeting hearts. Acting very '…
> nobody has to follow up with the same offer Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. > How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"? It's called hyperbole
Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier.
And in the scenario where Microsoft, Salesforce, NVIDIA, and Meta actually think the OpenAI staff are mad (rather than the more plausible scenario where they think the OpenAI board is mad and are looking for a big pile of skilled proven talent that already know each other and can work well together on big projects), the only sane response would have been "not only don't hire them, don't offer them jobs, what are you even thinking this is the real world we don't do things like the script of a Marvel film".
> It's called hyperbole
It makes you look like the mad one.
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> Does anybody know who is currently CEO of OpenAI? Emmett Shear. Altman won't be back. Investors like success and returns but they don't like companies where all the employees have basically sworn out an oath of fealty to the CEO, as it means they (the investors) have basically no control over anything.
Emmett is already threatening to resign. https://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/1033862/op...
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> The tech is fine. Have you ever maintained the software where the original team left? I have. And though it was much less complex and cutting edge than what OpenAI is doing, it was a massive pain with loss of knowledge and time.
Yes I have. I’ve even added features to legacy software and have made that a part of my mentoring to engineers to not reinvent the wheel and be good at reading and understanding code. I don’t think it’s a loss because the company has chosen to invest in that software. I include that time as onboarding for a project.
The board tried to get a merger with Anthropic, probably the second best team in the world for this type of work.
They don't seem to think they can "just re-hire".
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> nobody has to follow up with the same offer Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. > How is any of that "sacrifice their children on twitter"? It's called hyperbole
> Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. And in the scenario where Microsoft, Salesforce, NVIDIA, and Meta actually think the OpenAI staff are mad (rather than the more plausible scenario where they think the OpenAI board is mad and are looking for a big pile of…
Then a competitor might hire all of them. If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them. Come on, this isn't a hard concept to grasp.
> And in the scenario where they actually think they're mad ... the script of a Marvel film
Then you hire them on a 5 year exclusive contract so they can't rejoin Hydra.
> It makes you look like the mad one
It's normal human writing style, hyperbole, sarcasm, exaggeration, wit, irony, you know. Adult writing, for adults to consume.
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> Does anybody know who is currently CEO of OpenAI? Emmett Shear. Altman won't be back. Investors like success and returns but they don't like companies where all the employees have basically sworn out an oath of fealty to the CEO, as it means they (the investors) have basically no control over anything.
> all the employees have basically sworn out an oath of fealty to the CEO Objectively not true. Employees were quiet on Friday. It was after Ilya told employees that Altman was fired partly because he tasked two people with the same job, that they then organized.
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> Yes, different companies have to follow up with the same offer in order to break up the talent bloc. Otherwise the bloc will move en-masse to one firm. Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. And in the scenario where Microsoft, Salesforce, NVIDIA, and Meta actually think the OpenAI staff are mad (rather than the more plausible scenario where they think the OpenAI board is mad and are looking for a big pile of…
> Or just… not hire all of them. Much easier. Then a competitor might hire all of them. If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them. Come on, this isn't a hard concept to grasp. > And in the scenario where they actually think they're mad ... the script of a Marvel film Then you hire them on a 5 year exclusive contract so they can't rejoin Hydra. > It makes y…
> Sure, it's in their interest to break up a unified bloc of talent
And
> If you're in the AI business you don't want that. You want to grab either all of them or balkanize them.
And
> Nobody wants to invest in a personality cult that's sworn an oath of fealty to one guy, dude. That's basically flushing money down the toilet, as this fiasco demonstrates. These lunatics are ready to sacrifice their children on twitter. You cannot work with people like that!
These are mutually incompatible positions.
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Considering Ilya regrets his decision, implying this wasn't an e/acc vs safety debate, the two most likely scenarios to me appear to be: A) DeAngelo getting revenge for custom GPTs killing his company Poe's core product. B) The board discovering Sam working to use OpenAI resources/IP to further his own personal business/political goals.
> Considering Ilya regrets his decision, implying this wasn't an e/acc vs safety debate Does it? If it was exactly that but he misjudged the external response and resulting consequences, that would also be a reason for regret.