Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

Post by ribosometronome » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 4:19 AM UTC

clnq wrote: post #134

janejeon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wording is very clearly hostile and aggressive, especially for a formal statement, and the wording, again, makes it very clear that they are burning all bridges with Sam Altman, and it is very clear that 1. it was done extremely suddenly, 2. with very little notice or discussion with any other stakeholder (e.g. Microsoft being completely blindsided, not even waiting 30 minutes for the stock market to close, doing…

It is quite gauche for a company to burn bridges with their upper management. This bodes poorly for ever hoping to attract executives in the future. Even Bobby Kotick got a more graceful farewell from Activision Blizzard, where they tried to clear his name. It is only prudent business. Certainly, this is very immature. It wouldn't be out of context in HBO's Succession. Whether what happened is right or just in some s…

Post by rmwaite » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 4:19 AM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #150

kolja005 wrote: post #116

What has me scratching my head is the fact that Altman has been on a world tour preaching the need for safety in AI. Many people here believed that this proselytizing was in part an attempt to generate regulatory capture. But given what's happening now, I wonder how much Altman's rhetoric served the purpose of maintaining a good relationship with Sutskever. Given that Altman was pushing the AI safety narrative public…

Altman was pushing that narrative because he’s a ladder kicker . He doesn’t give a shit about “safety”. He just wants regulation that will make it much harder for new AI upstarts to reach or even surpass the level of OpenAI’s success, thereby cementing OpenAI’s dominance in the market for a very long time, perhaps forever. He’s using a moral high ground as a cover for more selfish objectives, beware of this tactic in…

Post by Cacti » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 4:19 AM UTC

cuuupid wrote: post #153

Bjorkbat wrote: post #100

I have a hard time believing this simply since it seems so ill-conceived. Sure, maybe Sam Altman was being irresponsible and taking risks, but they had an insanely good thing going for them. I'm not saying Sam Altman was responsible for the good times they were having, but you're probably going to bring them to an end by abruptly firing one of the most prominent members of the group, seeing where individual loyalties…

Tbh this reads a lot like Ilya thinking he’s Tony Stark and his (still impressive) language model is somehow the same as an iron man suit. Which is arrogance to the point of ignorance, reality isn’t that romantic. I can only hope this doesn’t turn into OpenAI trying to gatekeep multimodal models or conversely everyone else leaving them in the dust.

Post by bushbaba » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 4:21 AM UTC

strikelaserclaw wrote: post #41

junofan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very unprofessional way to approach this disagreement.

When two people have different ideologies and neither is willing to backdown or compromise, one person must "go".

Post by lucubratory » Sat, Nov 18, 2023, 4:22 AM UTC

malwarebytess wrote: post #196

Ilya Sutskever really seems to think AGI's birth is impending and likely to be delivered at OpenAI. From that perspective it makes sense to keep capital at arms length. Is there anything to his certainty? It doesn't feel like it's anywhere close.