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Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by janejeon »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #37
junofan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very unprofessional way to approach this disagreement.

How so? It's just another firing and being escorted out the door.

The wording is very clearly hostile and aggressive, especially for a formal statement, and the wording, again, makes it very clear that they are burning all bridges with Sam Altman, and it is very clear that 1. it was done extremely suddenly, 2. with very little notice or discussion with any other stakeholder (e.g. Microsoft being completely blindsided, not even waiting 30 minutes for the stock market to close, doing this shortly before Thanksgiving break, etc).

You don't really see any of this in most professional settings.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by convexstrictly »

minimaxir wrote: post #26
breadwinner wrote: post #24

What was Greg Brockman's role at the company? Is he a tech genius like Ilya? Iam trying to understand how much tech talent Open AI is losing.

He was the CTO of OpenAI, and notably was the CTO of Stripe during its hypergrowth.

LinkedIn says President, Chairman, & Co-Founder. Murati was the CTO. But from his interviews, he sounded more like the CTO.

And often like an individual contributor: "the feeling when you finally localize a bug to a small section of code, and know it's only a matter of time till you've squashed it"

https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725373059740082475

"Greg Brockman, co-founder and president of OpenAI, works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI."

https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by [deleted] »

crazygringo wrote: post #8
LoganDark wrote: post #6

Can anything actually back this up please? This twitter account is just posting stuff and then crediting "Sources".

"This twitter account" is Kara Swisher, probably the most well-known tech reporter working right now. She has known essentially everyone in the tech world for decades at this point. Her sources are not only going to be legit, but she probably has more of them than literally anyone else in the tech world, so she can accurately corroborate information or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Swisher

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Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by chasd00 »

jdminhbg wrote: post #45
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? It's just another firing and being escorted out the door.

It's not "just another firing," the statement accused Altman of lying to the board. Either he did and it's a justified extraordinary firing, or he didn't and it's hugely unprofessional to insinuate he did.

Oh man the lawyers have to be so happy I bet they can hardly count.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by wmf »

brigadier132 wrote: post #38
woeirua wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t believable. You don’t fire a CEO and put out a press release accusing them of lying over Dev day. Unless he told them he wasn’t going to announce it and then did.

Reading about Ilya, it seems like he is fully bought into AI hysteria.

Did he buy into it after he took the money from Microsoft? Because it seems like there's no turning back after that point.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by lumost »

woeirua wrote: post #21
convexstrictly wrote: post #2

Followup tweet by Kara: Dev day and store were "pushing too fast"! https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725702612379378120

This isn’t believable. You don’t fire a CEO and put out a press release accusing them of lying over Dev day. Unless he told them he wasn’t going to announce it and then did.

Alternate possibility would be that openAI faces core technical challenges delivering dev day features/promises. If deals were signed, they could be forced to deliver even if the board et al weren’t aligned on investment.

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by drcode »

cardine wrote: post #5

I wonder if Sam knew he was going to lose this power struggle and then started working on an exit plan with people loyal to him behind the boards back. The board then finds out and rushes to kick him out ASAP to stop him from using company resources to create a competitor.

Now that is a theory that actually adds up with the facts (whether true or not)

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by sainez »

moralestapia wrote: post #15
reducesuffering wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this move is so drastic because Ilya, the chief scientist behind OpenAI, thinks Sam and Greg are pushing so hard on AGI capabilities, ahead of alignment with humanity, that it threatens everyone. 2/3 of the other board members agreed. Don’t shoot the messenger. No one else has given you a plausible reason why Sama was abruptly fired, and this is what a reporter said of Ilya: ‘He freaked the hell out of people the…

Bull. Shit. OpenAI and its people are there to maximize shareholder value. This is the same company that went from "non-profit" to "jk, lol, we are actually for-profit now". I still think that move was not even legal but rules for thee not for me. They ousted sama because it was bad for business. Why? We may never know, or we may know next week, who knows? Literally.

It seems you are conflating OpenAI the non-profit, with OpenAI the LLC: https://openai.com/our-structure

Re: Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing?

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

jdminhbg wrote: post #45
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? It's just another firing and being escorted out the door.

It's not "just another firing," the statement accused Altman of lying to the board. Either he did and it's a justified extraordinary firing, or he didn't and it's hugely unprofessional to insinuate he did.

I read that word as not being forthcoming moreso than actively lying. But I don't read many firing press releases.
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