The reactions to this absolutely minimum possible move - "don't drive a specific kind of car in this tiny high street area unless you really need to" - are ranging from disingenuous to genuinely unhinged. I have no remaining hope for transit policy.
Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
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Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#212It's small, but it's a start. Next, remove as many cars as possible (some deliveries, taxis, and emergency vehicles make sense, as well as microcars for people who need them, of course). I'm appalled at the people here saying you need a car to lead a full life. A car-dependent life is an empty and sad one for many of us. I moved to the Netherlands with my family (two young daughters) and it has been _absolutely fanta…
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By all means, those who are downvoting, explain the specific thing that's wrong about what I commented. Deciding from specific, circumstantial privilege about the wrongness or rightness of others necessities in the wider world is indeed an inherently shitty habit. So too is ignoring one's own hypocrisy in deriding certain broadly used things.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#213The people in nordic countries seem so naive to me. They trust their governments, their authorities to do this stuff, to both determine the greater good and then implement it. The political class couldn't possibly act immorally, for their own benefit, apparently. Whereas the reality is that these actions are preplanned internationally and designed (by opaque agencies such the club of Rome and the UN) in order for ind…
It seems that more and more conspiracies are leaking to HN, sad really.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#214It's small, but it's a start. Next, remove as many cars as possible (some deliveries, taxis, and emergency vehicles make sense, as well as microcars for people who need them, of course). I'm appalled at the people here saying you need a car to lead a full life. A car-dependent life is an empty and sad one for many of us. I moved to the Netherlands with my family (two young daughters) and it has been _absolutely fanta…
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Before living here I was in a field in rural Ireland, in case you think I lack perspective.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
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Carsharing can be recommended only by somebody who never have to share a car. - Car won't available when you need it. - You will come to a car, which will have steering wheel and driver's seat in a setup incompatible with your physique, so you need to waste your time to set it back. Every. Damn. Time. - Car will be dirty. All the time. Dog hair, food crumbs, trash (i.e. coffee cups, cans). You will take it out and ne…
I had nothing but good experiences with car sharing, great value for the money and I wish it was available in more places.
It really depends. A road trip in a car share can cost as much as a monthly lease payment, yet due to the way no one user feels responsible for the car, the tire was showing 4 different colors of threads. A trip to ikea can be really burdensome if the front right brake has a soft lock or if the bearing has gone. Or if someone's left the car with barely any fuel in it for that one time when the booking was made to make a tight deadline. For odds and ends, it can be perfectly serviceable, but I've had those three and some other less than savoury anecdotes in my 5 years of using a car share.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
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By all means, those who are downvoting, explain the specific thing that's wrong about what I commented. Deciding from specific, circumstantial privilege about the wrongness or rightness of others necessities in the wider world is indeed an inherently shitty habit. So too is ignoring one's own hypocrisy in deriding certain broadly used things.
Complaining about downvotes on a public forum is also a "shitty habit."
As is basically calling people names in said forum.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
The solution to this is a car sharing programme. You pay your membership and get access to a fleet of cars and vans that you can pickup whenever you like. Tax, insurance, and petrol is all covered in the price (usually) and you can pick the right vehicle size for the trip you're making (no need to own a truck for the rare occasions you need to move large items). Obviously not a solution for every situation, but if yo…
Carsharing can be recommended only by somebody who never have to share a car. - Car won't available when you need it. - You will come to a car, which will have steering wheel and driver's seat in a setup incompatible with your physique, so you need to waste your time to set it back. Every. Damn. Time. - Car will be dirty. All the time. Dog hair, food crumbs, trash (i.e. coffee cups, cans). You will take it out and ne…
Carshares don't imply that the end users are liable for the upkeep financially, they just need to flag the issues to the car club, or at least that's how I've seen it be implemented in all the car clubs I've used.
To start off, smoking in the car is not allowed. If they detect dog hair and can deduce who introduced it, the user will be banned. If someone left it with less than either a quarter or a half a tank of fuel, the offender gets reprimanded or ultimately banned. Minor incidents and maintenance items are taken care of on a complaint basis - once a user complains, the company fixes it. Eventually. It's not as bad as you're making it out to be.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#218It's small, but it's a start. Next, remove as many cars as possible (some deliveries, taxis, and emergency vehicles make sense, as well as microcars for people who need them, of course). I'm appalled at the people here saying you need a car to lead a full life. A car-dependent life is an empty and sad one for many of us. I moved to the Netherlands with my family (two young daughters) and it has been _absolutely fanta…
> A car-dependent life is an empty and sad one for many of us.
I love cycling and I love to bike within town and it's great that I can get to nearly all basic needs by bike. I wish there was safe bike parking everywhere though, since the lack of it means I often can't bike there if I can't be sure it won't be stolen.
Still, if you want to advocate for more bike friendly places, calling car use an empty and sad life isn't going to win any converts.
Cars are immensely useful for nearly everyone, so merely banning them and hoping for the best won't work. Policies need to make alternatives attractive, at which point people will pick what's most convenient by themselves, no need to ban anything.
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Why is what's "required" a consideration? Almost nothing in modern life is required. You don't need AC, heat, refrigeration, video games, movies etc. NONE of that is a requirement and it all contributes to climate change. Part of living in a free society is that you get to have things that aren't required. IF I want to buy the biggest gas guzzling truck there is, I should have the right to do so since I'll be spendin…
This feels like a weird thing to have to explain to someone, but like, the whole purpose of government and regulations is to provide a framework to peacefully resolve conflicts when one person's decisions affect another person. It's kind of how civilization works, you know? Your decision to drive a battletank on public roads affects more than just yourself.
"resolve conflicts when one person's decisions affect another person"
Your silly little metaphor would make sense if it was actually about how it "affected others". It's clearly not for the reasons I explained above.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
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Why is what's "required" a consideration? Almost nothing in modern life is required. You don't need AC, heat, refrigeration, video games, movies etc. NONE of that is a requirement and it all contributes to climate change. Part of living in a free society is that you get to have things that aren't required. IF I want to buy the biggest gas guzzling truck there is, I should have the right to do so since I'll be spendin…
You're free to do so if you also buy your own exclusive air supply that never touches our air. And never drive on public roads that everyone else pays for and uses - because then you are contributing to road wear and higher accident rates. Otherwise the rest of us retain the right to put limits on your "freedom".
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