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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by arcticbull »

Scoundreller wrote: post #204
arcticbull wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All that RF radiation from any of these devices can do is mildly warm you up. When you get to kW it could cook you I guess. It's not about health effects, there are none. It's about the risk of interference.

I agree, but governments think otherwise (and inconsistently with their acceptable limits). https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate Can be a handy tool to selectively remove vendors from the market (which may be what occurred here). If there was a problem with interference, I really wished our regulator would require the telecoms to disa…

I know they do have limits, but I don't believe any government or private entity has linked absorption to any kind of health impact at levels anywhere close to the published SAR limits.

These are likely just out of an abundance of caution just in case, not because they actually think harm will come. Frankly that's just fine, I wish they'd do that more - especially with new chemicals.

> If there was a problem with interference, I really wished our regulator would require the telecoms to disable them from the networks to force migration to non-interfering devices.

Agreed.

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Post by dharmab »

LinuxBender wrote: post #168
rasz wrote: post #142

Does author of this article https://www.thedrive.com/author/chris-rosales "focused on the technical side" "Previous work experience: GTChannel, track day photography, drifting coverage, and odd jobs. Once worked in an Italian restaurant" "AA-T in Communications" really think Hondata is being used to skirt emissions and is the aim of DOJ action? Reuters news piece is cited verbatim except for the important part: >The…

Additional issue I see there is the customers are being ripped off. $1500 for a device that can only do specific programming sets and depends on remote access? I think they are taking people to the bank on cheap devices. This seems like something that could be done on a $100 general purpose OBD device. On newer vehicles I would expect it to be possible to upgrade the infotainment system to have all this built in to c…

With Hondata you are mostly paying for the license to their software.

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Post by Blackcatmaxy »

ceejayoz wrote: post #210
profile53 wrote: post #206

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Yes but an F250 does not use leaded gas like many planes do, has much more complete and efficient combustion, and likely produces far less particulate emissions.

Private jets don't use leaded gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel No amount of cherry picking is gonna get you to the 10,000x number upthread.

Private planes absolutely still use leaded gas https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/leaded-gas-wa... https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-enviro...

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Post by SoftTalker »

queuebert wrote: post #175
TulliusCicero wrote: post #122

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Which makes sense. It's not like pollution stays confined within the track area.

Dedicated race cars don't have emissions controls, though. For some reason, only race cars that drive on both roads and tracks are regulated.

Dedicated race cars are too few in number to really make a difference, so they don't worry about them.

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Post by sib »

wutwutwat wrote: post #185
lokar wrote: post #138

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This. More so for loud motorcycles, since cops tend to also own them.

This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say: Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays in…

Grappling hook through the front wheel fixes that right away...

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Post by alexfoo »

lokar wrote: post #138
genter wrote: post #119

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No, I believe the officer I talked to didn't care and thought I was a pansy.

This. More so for loud motorcycles, since cops tend to also own them.

It's just the odd love of the Harley or similar.

I got pulled over for noise (in the UK) as my ZX6-R had a hole in the downpipes and it was obviously a bit too noisy. I was trying my best to keep the noise down and (genuinely, provably) on my way to drop the bike off to have it repaired.

The Cop that pulled me over was happy to chat about it when I explained that it was on its way to get fixed he let me off.

Then a Harley that was twice as loud went past and the cop says "Cor, doesn't that sound lovely!" I asked him if he was going to pull it over for being louder than mine and he suddenly got very grumpy with me again. I didn't push any further as I didn't want to end up with a fine.

What's the old line?

"Harley's are probably the most efficient machine to turn gasoline into noise without that pesky by-product of horsepower."

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Post by I_Am_Nous »

wutwutwat wrote: post #185
lokar wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. More so for loud motorcycles, since cops tend to also own them.

This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say: Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays in…

>doing 200mph within a few seconds

It's still kind of amazing to me that race-tuned liter bikes are even legal in the US. Even a starter 250 likely has a faster 0-60 than most cars on the road. I believe you need a little extra power to spare when riding, so that you can suddenly speed up if you need to, but not so much extra power that a quarter-turn on the throttle gets you from 70 to 100 MPH in 1 second.

I've heard big bikes described as "ride to survive" because even a small mistake can be fatal when you are dealing with that much performance. Full disclosure, I ride a big, fat Kawasaki touring bike (1993 ZG1200, right about 760 pounds wet) and while the engine is big, it's geared to a max of 113 MPH. It's big enough I have to respect it when riding, but powerful enough that if I need to I can spur it a bit :)

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Post by pseg134 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #141
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #50

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

If you seriously want to take action here, then do this; 1) Look up your city ordinances on sound, there should be copies of this is the reference section of your city's public library. Identify the ordinance and paragraph that the people nearby are violating. Record/video one or more violations on your phone. 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for viol…

I’m sure this has worked but I have gotten the same result by writing fix your exhaust on a piece of paper and tying it to a brick and throwing it through their back windshield. Some times two wrongs make a right.

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Post by alexfoo »

wutwutwat wrote: post #185
lokar wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. More so for loud motorcycles, since cops tend to also own them.

This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say: Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays in…

> Story: a buddy of mine had a gsxr 1000 and would purposely screw with cops on the freeway ... You can’t temp fate that much and not eventually meet yours.

An idiot friend used to do similar (in the UK), then one day he did it and the Police turned up at his house 1 minute after he had stopped and put his bike away. He'd gotten away with it loads of times but this time he did it with a Police helicopter in the air less than a mile away and easily able to track a bike all the way back to his house. A top sports bike may be able to do 200mph but not everywhere, and helicopters are fast, can see for miles with very good tracking cameras, and can fly in straight lines.

They then used all of the footage from the Police cars of previous incidents to tie them all to him (similar clothing, similar bespoke exhaust, etc). I think he got 8 years in prison with all of the totting up that went on (and previous offences taken into account).

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Post by vdqtp3 »

Blackcatmaxy wrote: post #213
ceejayoz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private jets don't use leaded gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel No amount of cherry picking is gonna get you to the 10,000x number upthread.

Private planes absolutely still use leaded gas https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/leaded-gas-wa... https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-enviro...

It's funny watching you all use different words and think they mean the same thing. Turbine powered aircraft, whether jet, fan or prop (a Citation is a turbofan powered aircraft) use Jet-A which is basically diesel (OK, OK, it's kerosene but they aren't that different). Piston planes (of which there are plenty) mostly use 100LL - high octane, leaded gasoline. Now that we're done with the pedantry, please continue with your argument.
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