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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wakeupcall »

schengnz wrote: post #132
wakeupcall wrote: post #119

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As a general question to anybody that used the Kinesis Advantage and switched to the Glove80: how's the thumb cluster? The double-length keys for bk/delete/enter/space allows a lot of vertical travel freedom on the hand. Instead of flexing the fingers I can just move the whole hand down and hit the lower row _very_ comfortably while not having to worry about the thumb at all. I've mocked a few pieces of paper to adva…

Due to the 3D nature, it is very hard to mock up with a few pieces of paper. One thing to note is that the Glove80 thumb cluster plane is at a very different location and angle, compared to the the Kinesis Advantage thumb cluster plane. In fact the Glove80 thumb cluster plane is much lower and slant down gently (nowhere as much as DM) towards the opposite half. OTOH the KA thumb cluster sits significantly higher than…

I would definitely reposition the thumb cluster on the KA to be slightly lower (no more than 1cm lower really), however I didn't find this to be a problem for me.

I rest my hands with the pinky/thumb at about 15' (that is, the hand is is not with the palm flat but at about 45" compared to the keyboard). If I extend pinky and thumb, they're naturally on the same plane.

If I could tent the halves though that 1cm of difference would be nice.

On the kinesis I can hit comfortably ctrl+alt + "=" (and pretty much any other key on either half) with thumb+pinky, on both halves. Holding shift is also entirely possible with pinky or ring, even in combination with ctrl/alt/ctrl+alt and while typing with the remaining 3 fingers.

Seems a stupid thing to do when written, and maybe it is, but hey .. emacs, and I'm doing it with ease actually. I normally chord the modifiers with one hand and type with the other, but if there's a weird combination I'll just do it with a single hand too.

I could definitely 3d-print an entire glove80 mock if I found a model.

For a long time I've been pondering about just 3d-printing a modified dacytl to fit my own preferences, but it's one of those things I wish to just pay for, have some QC without wasting time, and be done.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

swah wrote: post #145

Alt-tabbing looks even more uncomfortable.

you can change the position of any key. its one of the selling points of keyboards with qmk/zmk firmware. you can make unique layout for yourself or choose from what others have already tested in their setups.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by tengwar2 »

todd8 wrote: post #203

I don't understand the curved keyboard wells as present on the Glove80 and Kinesis Advantage keyboards. For most keys on a flat keyboard I type not by bending the finger joints and then punching the keys with the tips of my fingers by straightening my fingers. Instead, I press the keys by largely swinging the whole finger up and down and typing with the pads on the distal phalanx of the fingers. This is hard to expla…

This is my experience with the Glove80 and the Maltron. I don't have any reason to use the function keys, but I found the number keys needed an awkward prod. Consciously keeping my palm on the rests mitigated the problem to some degree, but I find that an unnatural position, possibly because I am a pianist and keep my wrists a bit higher. Stepped rather than bowled keyboards might help, but I prefer a flat keyboard, or one that is tilted slightly away from me. This is not to say that other people will not like the Glove80, and it is certainly well made.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by djbusby »

adrian_b wrote: post #160
djbusby wrote: post #156

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How did you configure the Wacom? Like in xorg.conf? Any tips?

My .bashrc script (when logging on, which is checked by the fact that no GUI session is running) starts X Window (actually it starts an XFCE session, because that is what I use), then it remaps the keyboard to a custom Dvorak variant and it configures Wacom thus: WACOM_ID=$(xsetwacom list | grep STYLUS | cut -f 2 | cut -d " " -f 2) xsetwacom set "$WACOM_ID" "Button" "2" "button +3 " xsetwacom set "$WACOM_ID" "Button"…

This is awesome, thank you.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by just_testing »

deadlyllama wrote: post #101

I'm very happy with my Glove80. I started with a prototype 3D printed model last year: the creators are friends of mine, and I wrote the LED status display code for them. I also dropped the prototype down a flight of concrete stairs (sorry! It still works though). I now have a production model with the white clicky keyswitches. Ultra happy with it. I've been using Kinesis Advantage2s for a shade over two decades - th…

You're using silent clicky switches? What's the activation force? (I have an Ergodox EZ and love it)

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

The large thumb keys of the Kinesis Advantage Keyboards (writing on one of them) can be pressed without moving the hands at all, because of their "loose fit". They probably work very well for a large range of hands sizes. I've programmed my layout so that the thumb keys are (from left to right) mod1, ctrl, return, space. The right ones with mod1 delete and backspace. On the home row (with mod1) arrow keys, alt, shift, ... . So the large thumb keys are absolute essential in my layout. And 4 of them are enough due to using one of them as mod1. I don't use the regular sized keys in the cluster at all.

I can't imaging going back to a none curved, none orthogonal keyboard.

Anyway, the Glove80 is still really interesting, esp. the various switches and the more affordable price.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by 112233 »

jseliger wrote: post #4

I was looking forward to the Kinesis Advantage360 Pro, since it solves some of the issues with the Advantage2. It supports three different tenting angles and is a truly split keyboard. However, the Advantage360 Pro was quite a disappointment. The keyboard, which is a hefty 650 Euro, was plagued with Bluetooth issues, the Gateron Brown switches were tiring for me, and Kinesis didn’t improve the thumb cluster. I switch…

Have tried both, cannot go back to kinesis. Layouts seem very similar, but glove has home/end and pgup/pgdown keys in the main part, so thumb cluster has two alt keys and shift keys.

I cannot overstate how much better having shift keys on thumb cluster is.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by 112233 »

cjbprime wrote: post #3

It looks neat, though it always seems strange to me when an ergonomic setup involves picking up one of your hands and moving it to the side often to use a separate mouse or keyboard. Is there not a better place to put it, integrated or slightly above or in the middle etc, to avoid having to change hand position all the time?

if you have kinesis advantage, just stick magic trackpad in the middle (it fits nicely). I wouldn't mind mushroom like on ibm thinkpads or optical trackpad like on blackberry in the middle of keyboard, but oh well

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by 3np »

matthewtse wrote: post #165
microtonal wrote: post #39

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I think one of the issues is that the key wells need to hand soldered, which increases the cost per unit. You can find well-priced Glove80s sometimes. I was particularly lucky and found one for 150 Euro. But for the other, the 360 Euro was well spent! At any rate, people spend thousands on a MacBook, but for a product that probably lasts longer and might save your job long-term, we suddenly practice extreme austerity…

I hand-wired and hand-soldered two of them myself (back before you could buy them as easily). I was hoping flexible PCBs ( https://www.reddit.com/r/ErgoMechKeyboards/comments/qbw7i4/o... ) would make the hand-wiring part much less labor intensive.

Did it?

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by 3np »

d5ve wrote: post #90

I use a Glove80 keyboard, and even after 4 months I'm not back to my normal typing speed! This has cost me a fair bit of productivity, and was stressful at times. Almost feeling like I'd suffered a bit of brain damage, where I could picture what I wanted to do, but be unable to type it out. Having the modifier keys in the thumb cluster feels a lot less awkward than using my left-hand little finger at odd angles. And…

FWIW, I really can't do ortholinear. Maybe it's similar for you? I think it's just one of those things where you don't know until you try for a while. It's apparently right for some!
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