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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by onetom »

colordrops wrote: post #82
hotfixguru wrote: post #74

I love my glove80. Went from 110 WPM to about 10 the first day, practiced a few hours and got to ~60 in a day or two. After a week or two I could comfortably program with it without feeling slowed down. I have no more pain in my left arm after a work day, and I feel like it’s easier to sit with a proper posture.

I'm close to 50yo so i blame my slow uptake on that but I'm finally close to my original typing speed now (also about 110) after a month on the glove80. I'm not quite convinced by it yet as a pragmatic tool but I'm enjoying the hell out of it as something new and interesting. Kind of like driving stick. Had to do a bit of remapping to get it to be usable, as i use the super key a lot for my window manager.

where did u map the super key to?

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by onetom »

d5ve wrote: post #90

I use a Glove80 keyboard, and even after 4 months I'm not back to my normal typing speed! This has cost me a fair bit of productivity, and was stressful at times. Almost feeling like I'd suffered a bit of brain damage, where I could picture what I wanted to do, but be unable to type it out. Having the modifier keys in the thumb cluster feels a lot less awkward than using my left-hand little finger at odd angles. And…

I couldn't type blind for 30+ years. Never bothered to learn it. Then I used https://www.keybr.com/ a couple of times, less than an hour in total and I was able to touch-type afterwards at an acceptable speed and error rate.

So when I'm experimenting with a new keyboard of key layout, I always practice on keybr.com 1st, because it tremendously speeds up the getting-used-to period!

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by todd8 »

I don't understand the curved keyboard wells as present on the Glove80 and Kinesis Advantage keyboards. For most keys on a flat keyboard I type not by bending the finger joints and then punching the keys with the tips of my fingers by straightening my fingers. Instead, I press the keys by largely swinging the whole finger up and down and typing with the pads on the distal phalanx of the fingers.

This is hard to explain but my experience with my Kinesis Advantage is that the keys above the home row and especially the function keys (really just function buttons) are too high and are oriented with the faces of these keys too angled towards my hands (i.e. the normal vector from the top of the keycaps are angled at perhaps 45 degrees from vertical). So on an "ordinary" keyboard, like a laptop keyboard, the surface of the keycaps are roughly parallel to the surface of the laptop keyboard. On such an ordinary keyboard it is quite easy to press the number keys and function keys without a lot of finger flexing, while on the Kinesis Advantage I feel like I am curling my fingers then lifting my whole hand and then straightening my fingers to kind of punch the keys like one would press a button mounted on a wall. (Does this elaborate explanation even make sense or am I just being picky?)

I greatly prefer typing on the Kinesis Gaming Keyboard. These feel better than using welled keyboards to me.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

sesm wrote: post #187
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While ergonomic keyboards are big part of some peoples fight against RSI, for many more using them is about comfort. After you get used to having tilted keyboard going back to normal one just feels tight and uncomfortable. Also for me big part about customizing your tools is exactly that - you get to customize your tools. I type professionally so it is insane to me when I see my colleagues working on some random lapt…

There is a trade-off between mobility and ergonomics. For some people mobility is more important for various reasons.

Maybe, but when they sit next to me for 8 hours that argument kind a falls off.

I am sure there are exceptions to this, but from my experience these people also aren’t nearly as productive as people who have usable, comfortable setups

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

yyt88 wrote: post #96
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I read is: "I have been a professional carpenter for a decade and sharp knife is all I use. I use it for floors, chairs, tables, and all. If it doesn't work for you then don't use it" Of course I can work with a tiny laptop screen and keyboard, but I choose to actually have a pleasurable experience when I work.

And you call those "insane" who don't agree.

Yes. Of course not meaning actually mental illness, but their values feel so out of wack it doesn’t make sense

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

atoav wrote: post #104
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While ergonomic keyboards are big part of some peoples fight against RSI, for many more using them is about comfort. After you get used to having tilted keyboard going back to normal one just feels tight and uncomfortable. Also for me big part about customizing your tools is exactly that - you get to customize your tools. I type professionally so it is insane to me when I see my colleagues working on some random lapt…

Sometimes switching positions dynamically is less straining than staying in the same (ergonomic) position forever, which is why most ergonomic chairs are about dynamic sitting. But no amount of dynamic sitting and no ergonomic chair will make the bad influence of sitting go away — this can only be dealt with excercise, breaks and stretching. And every ergonomic chair can be misused. A person with good habits can sit…

Which is why RSI averse people recommend having multiple different input devices.

I do not suffer from RSI, but I have different keyboards for different things.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

wesapien wrote: post #87
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #77

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For me the first switches I bought felt mushy. You could argue I didn't do my research, but you can end in same place with this Glove, should I get the normal Reds or the Red Pros? Maybe I would like the tactility of the Browns better? Then again what is the point of having a mechanical keyboard without THONC so maybe Whites aren't that bad? With hot-swap you can just buy a set and if you don't love it you don't need…

Browns are apparently the best (most) selling switch type.

But also the most memed by the mechanical keyboard community. Although I do think they are a good compromise for open office use, but personally I prefer more “click/thonk”

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

atoav wrote: post #97
henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

As someone who sits in front of computers way above the average and never had any issues with eyes or hands (while others my age had issues there) I think this is the key: Try to get into the habit to stretch your wrists/fingers when you are not using them and try to do the same thing with your eyes (eyes are muscles too), by e.g. focusing onto something far away, rolling your eyes, etc. If you are of the type that g…

Curiously, unlike many, my wrists and fingers have been fine but I have tight/frozen shoulder and neck issues. Keeping the UHK halves apart and Magic Trackpad in the middle has probably been helpful, I can’t say yet.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by Agingcoder »

d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #208
atoav wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who sits in front of computers way above the average and never had any issues with eyes or hands (while others my age had issues there) I think this is the key: Try to get into the habit to stretch your wrists/fingers when you are not using them and try to do the same thing with your eyes (eyes are muscles too), by e.g. focusing onto something far away, rolling your eyes, etc. If you are of the type that g…

Curiously, unlike many, my wrists and fingers have been fine but I have tight/frozen shoulder and neck issues. Keeping the UHK halves apart and Magic Trackpad in the middle has probably been helpful, I can’t say yet.

I developed shoulder pain because my chair armrest was too high so was propping my shoulder up ever so slightly. It took me a while to figure out, and my pain went away quite quickly once I’d understood the problem.

More recently, someone took my chair and moved the head rest by a few centimeters. This pushed my head forward a bit - bam ! Neck pain.

You might want to check your chair/posture ( or it might be unrelated).

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