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Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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Post by Garvi »

dkyc wrote: post #202
Garvi wrote: post #178

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I'm an enjoyer of anonymity online and would rather not doxx myself. However if you have a specific question, I'd be happy to answer. I use js/jq for the front-end and php for the backend. Once you have your own CMS, turning it into a SPA means turning your index.php into a index.html that is php free and relies on ajax calls to change the content. So at minimum you need a mainbody.php and a head.php that accept inpu…

(Not OP) The kind of regressions I'd think of would be things like: - updating the URL state when someone clicks on a button - proper back-button support in the browser that takes me back to the prior 'page' - being able to navigate to any URL deep in your app and get a valid response (ideally rendered server-side so there's no client-side loading delay). Things like these are hard, and the reason why it's common adv…

True. One needs to build it's own "router" if you will. But in practice that means writing functions that modify the URL (some pushState(url) and scrollTo(top) stuff) and make them part of the primary function, so you can forget about it (I'm a functional programmer). Same with adding/substracting from the history stack. 1h of work each. Is that too much?

It really just worked without much troubleshooting. Most trouble I've had was with cookies and cross-origin problems (or weird client requests).

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wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #139
dijit wrote: post #34

My sister-in-law (girlfriends brothers girlfriend, not that it matters) recently studied for a data analytics certification. Actually several. The entire course (located on here: https://medieinstitutet.se ) is based on Google Analytics. Now her entire value is tied to the use of Google Analytics, she will almost certainly fight very hard to ensure that these skills remain relevant, nobody would want to retrain for 6…

Im still waiting for the Scrum fad to passover and the entire scrum masters guild to be without a job.

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Post by gmsiperx »

That's why we built Usermaven.com, a privacy-friendly website and product analytics tool.

Our website analytics module is simple and gets the job done in one single easy-to-use dashboard.

However, if you want to dig deep, you can use funnels, journeys and other features to get more insights out of our analytics.

Usermaven collects all client-side events automatically so it makes it really easy for marketing teams to get insights without involding devs.

We also offer simple ready-made reports for SaaS businesses to get product insights.

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Post by dijit »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #185
dijit wrote: post #163

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How many can afford to spend 6 months re-training, and even worse: how many companies are willing to hire people who have no experience in their specific tool. I don't think it's permanent, but it does make them economically useless until such a time as they retrain.

You are stretching credibility when you talk about 6 months to retrain from GA to some other analytics tool. 1-2 weeks is much more realistic timeline considering standard industry terms and similarity between tools.

if it was a 1year bootcamp, then I think saying 6mo is.. "fine".

Consider transitioning from Excel to LibreOffice or Google Sheets. On the surface it's the same, but doing advanced things requires considerable time investment and is very uncomfortable.

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Post by andix »

dijit wrote: post #34

My sister-in-law (girlfriends brothers girlfriend, not that it matters) recently studied for a data analytics certification. Actually several. The entire course (located on here: https://medieinstitutet.se ) is based on Google Analytics. Now her entire value is tied to the use of Google Analytics, she will almost certainly fight very hard to ensure that these skills remain relevant, nobody would want to retrain for 6…

It is nothing new, that using Google Analytics is in violation of the European GDPR, I guess this was covered in the course. So why would she learn a technology, that is mostly illegal to use?

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dijit wrote: post #34

My sister-in-law (girlfriends brothers girlfriend, not that it matters) recently studied for a data analytics certification. Actually several. The entire course (located on here: https://medieinstitutet.se ) is based on Google Analytics. Now her entire value is tied to the use of Google Analytics, she will almost certainly fight very hard to ensure that these skills remain relevant, nobody would want to retrain for 6…

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Post by thissitesucks0 »

janus24 wrote: post #39
esalman wrote: post #8

Unrelated: I used ChatGPT to generate remark.js presentation HTML code from some content. It did generate the code, but it inserted a GA snippet along with a random GA account code at the bottom of the code. I did not even catch it immediately (laziness, totally my fault), but noticed it a couple of days later when I was modifying the presentation.

> totally my fault IMHO, it's not totally your fault; private information shouldn't be shared with others. It's your responsibility to verify what ChatGPT is writing before you use it; it's OpenAI's responsibility to not share private information.

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Post by EGreg »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #186
EGreg wrote: post #175

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What is 2008 about this website? I don't know any websites from 2008 that look like that. What do current websites have which websites from 2008 don't? When I visit YouTube, Facebook or Twitter, they seem extremely "busy", overrun with ads, and rather ugly, but we are used to them. I am not sure it's so bad to have a clean layout. But I am open to constructive criticism.

I get where they're coming from. It kinda reminds me of an old-school iOS app (pre-iOS 7, before everything went all flat design). The skeumorphism, the arrows in the menu, the big black borders on the menu. The layout, styling and font kind of reminds me of the jQuery era (but of course, I was primed to look for this stuff by the GP comment). None of what I'm saying is criticism BTW. Just observation.

Does it make it bad or offputting?

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Post by sccxy »

MrVandemar wrote: post #168
DeathArrow wrote: post #113

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Many people depend on YouTube or Instagram to make money. If YouTube and Instagram bans them - and it happens - they lose the ability to make money.

Then they will learn an important lesson.

What is the lesson here?

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Post by jhpacker »

suddenclarity wrote: post #24

This case is about the old Analytics that was replaced with Google Analytics 4 in 2020. So they must stop using a version that Google definitely killed July 1 this year. There are arguments that GA4 would fail the same requirements. Denmark hold that view but it hasn't been tried. Their argument is that a EU-citizen that goes to Asia and visits a site there, will have his information sent to US servers and not EU ser…

My opinion is that this applies to GA4 as well.

The decisions don't explicitly mention a version, they say these particular sites: "...shall cease to use the version of the Google Analytics tool used on 14 August 2020". They don't say if that's UA or GA4. The original complaints from NOYB refer to UA, but the issues cited in this decision would apply to GA4 as well.

So when the DPA says "Companies must stop using Google Analytics", there's no reason to think they only mean the version that was already shut off when they published that post.

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