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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

thekevan wrote: post #151
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #144

Good good. Apple has been abusing their dominant position for far too long. If it's my hardware, I'll do whatever tf I want. Apple can't do shit.

They weren't trying to tell you what to do with your machine, they were trying to tell you what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software.

> what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software

And now cars, door locks, TVs and toilers all have software. So every comoany will be telling you what to do.

This is your daily reminder that, unlike ownership of physical objects, IP os a privilidge granted for advancing sciences and arts. Not for making things worse

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Post by ayewo »

alvarezbjm-hn wrote: post #148
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #90

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The comment time stamp is clickable, you should see the reply button there.

Thank you! I need the cheatsheet for this site.

Cheatsheet you say?

Here you go: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by dragonwriter »

Osiris wrote: post #65
jerry80 wrote: post #49

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Actually, speeding is criminal in many states.

Are traffic infractions criminal? Violating some traffic laws can be a misdemeanor or felony while most are infractions. I don’t know if infraction is considered “criminal”.

> Are traffic infractions criminal?

This is often actually an area where toubwill find conflicting info; public info provided by the California state courts says yes, they are, in California [0], while you will find other sources, including law offices, saying they aren’t. [1]

The issue is largely that they are structured as crimes in state law, but the manner of punishment available does not make them “crimes” within the purview of federal Constitutional protections, or federal statutory consequences for conviction of state crimes (e.g., in the immigration system.)

[0] https://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/CIP_AboutCriminalCases.p...

[1] https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/infractions/

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by okamiueru »

ayewo wrote: post #208
rollcat wrote: post #202

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It's a very fast moving target. Apple keeps rewriting and deprecating stuff faster than they can write the documentation. As a newcomer to native macOS development, I'm sometimes struggling to even find working examples.

Agree. This is why WWDC videos can be immensely useful to get inside information about how things actually work and the shape of things to come.

I cannot express how frustrating and unprofessional Apple comes across, that you have to sit and watch YouTube videos, to try and find some documentation for iOS development.

> WWDC videos can be immensely useful to get inside information about how things actually work

Imagine if we could have proper text based documentation on how things actually work? I don't know why this isn't the case. I'm sure they can afford it. Maybe it's just lack of respect for developers? "They seem to figure it out anyways"?

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Post by okamiueru »

simondotau wrote: post #140
hackernewds wrote: post #55

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The saddest event this generation is Epic vs Apple going in favor of Apple. It's tough to imagine Apple weren't a monolopy enforcing monopolistic policies.

Whether or not you believe Apple is a monopoly, whether or not Apple is benefiting from their current status as one of two dominant smartphone ecosystems, it is obviously false to describe Apple's restrictions around app sales and payment methods as being "monopolistic policies". The policies Apple has been criticised for were not gained as a result of monopoly power. This is obviously true because the policies in qu…

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Post by ayewo »

tiernano wrote: post #174
mulmen wrote: post #159

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Azure doesn't run on Windows. Why would iCloud run on MacOS? There's exactly one organization in the world that needs to run iCloud, why would MacOS target that use case? I doubt Apple eats their own dogfood.

Azure does run on Windows. It's HyperV server below the rest of the hardware. It's a custom Windows install that you can't purchase, but it's Windows none the less.

That's interesting. Do you have a public source for this handy?

I remember seeing an article [1] proclaiming that more than 50% of Azure's workloads are on Linux, so I'm guessing their hypervisors are running an optimised Linux kernel somewhat.

1: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23156222

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

okamiueru wrote: post #214
ayewo wrote: post #208

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Agree. This is why WWDC videos can be immensely useful to get inside information about how things actually work and the shape of things to come.

I cannot express how frustrating and unprofessional Apple comes across, that you have to sit and watch YouTube videos, to try and find some documentation for iOS development. > WWDC videos can be immensely useful to get inside information about how things actually work Imagine if we could have proper text based documentation on how things actually work? I don't know why this isn't the case. I'm sure they can afford i…

Jobs made it clear in the 1997 WWDC speech[1] that Apple's priority is never the developers, but solely the customer experience and the final product, and if programing languages, frameworks or developers will be casualties along the way, then so be it. His words, not mine.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeqPrUmVz-o

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Post by zirgs »

_kbh_ wrote: post #32
jdiff wrote: post #28

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It's been working out fine for the Steam Deck. Sure, you can install Windows and/or any other storefront, but you won't have the console-like experience that Valve's own software provides. It's trivially easy to install pirated games on the Deck, without any cracking or modification of the system. You never have to make a single Steam purchase after buying the Deck, but Valve's betting that you will. And they're righ…

The steam deck is a way different value proposition compared to consoles though, console manufacturers take a loss for initial consoles sold until they can bring costs. Whereas the steam deck has likely been sold as a profit from day one.

Nintendo also doesn't sell their consoles at a loss.

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Post by kaba0 »

poulpy123 wrote: post #194
lawn wrote: post #130

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The walled garden is absolutely essential to Apple's business idea. If you want to use an Apple product, then they want you to commit to their ecosystem completely. It makes perfect sense that they'd be against anything that circumvents their walled garden, and a VM does just that by allowing users/developers to use their OS without buying their hardware. I personally hate it, and it's why I'll never touch any Apple…

That and their price is why I will never have an apple product too

They have a very good price-to-value ratio, especially when you account for their high resale value, so that's not really a good reason to avoid apple.

It is simply unbeatable on the laptop market currently, imo.

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Post by kaba0 »

poyu wrote: post #191
qwerty456127 wrote: post #166

Geat news! What about iOS-hosted virtual machines? I managed to install DosBox on one device in our family just before they blocked it but I want it, also a Linux VM and a real Firefox everywhere.

There’s UTM, you’ll have to side load it though https://getutm.app

Hopefully sideloading will also be available in Europe soon
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