OpenAI is like Google before 2003, dazzling the world with amazing products backed by astonishing technologies that went beyond wild dreams of millions of people. And most importantly, OpenAI kept releasing new features at blazing speed with a few hundred people, just like early days of Google and Microsoft. This reminds me of stark contrast of Google's GSuite and Microsoft Office. Microsoft released new office every…
In terms of product innovation, OpenAI is now like Google and Google is now like Xerox.
ChatGPT can now call Wolfram Alpha
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The analogy is even more apt when you think that most of the things Apple and Microsoft became big with in the 90's - like mouses and GUIs - were invented as Xerox but they failed to monetize, just like the basis for GTP came from Google and they failed to monetize (externally). I don't think Google is as Xerox- or IBM-ified yet though, they might still bounce back with AI products.
Please anyone willing to answer as if you might be speaking to a golden retriever: How important is a "lead" in this space? I have been comparing ChatGPT and Bard a lot the last two days because this is all very fascinating, and from my datapoint-of-one perspective, it feels like ChatGPT is way, way ahead. Then I start to wonder is this because ChatGPT captivated our attention so much the last few months that they've…
Additionally, the model doesn't learn from experience. If you use GPT-4 for 10 years, it will behave the same in the 10th year as the first. It's not getting better as you use it. OpenAI could improve their models based on the feedback they get but I believe they claim they aren't doing this, and I doubt they'd lie about that.
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#213Now some other company is doing very weird sht with their matrix multiplication, but on a... whole different scale, and still some people don't buy into the idea that this can be very big, even though only handful of people actually understand it. Well, where were you Google?
Building angular bullsht and not doing matrix multiplication... those guys beat you on your own game, hah!
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#214This is a match made in heaven, which makes ChatGPT actually useful for factual data. Or the inverse, it makes Wolfram Alpha even more accessible. That example screenshot of ChatGPT generating three queries to Wolfram Alpha in succession in order to answer the initial question is amazing. It's just how a human might have used Wolfram Alpha to do the same.
OpenAI becomes a really powerful corporation right now. Until reasonable alternatives are developed, in many professions you will be basically handicapped without it. And the cherry on top is that they have all inputs. These provide incomparably more data than e.g. google search queries. Not to mention they have a tool which excels at guessing user intention and interests.
I think it might really help with writers’ block.
But “handicapped without it” in “many professions”?
Without detailed support, this reads as a rather absurd and zealous statement.
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No, Chrome was a revelation when it came out. It was way faster than Firefox and it had many great features we now take for granted, like isolated tabs, popup blocking etc.
Revisionist history. Firefox had a built-in pop up blocker in 2003, years before Chrome was even a seed in Sundar’s balls. I know because I used it. Chrome was and is a step back, foisted on people with dark patterns, back in the day having speed by sacrificing features like extensibility and customisability.
But there's also a reason software people switched to Chrome for a long while. It was just better. It's not anymore. I switched back to Firefox when Chrome broke ad blocking.
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What happened in 2003?
Nothing particular. I just don't remember major successful and speedy product launches from Google after 2003. In that year, Google launched Google Maps, shocking the IT world for how effective AJAX can be, even though the tech itself was invented by MS. Maybe GMaps was so impressive that I forgot what other major launches were after that.
And instead of the same enthusiastic reaction at large they had become used to, they got _hammered_ for it by publishers and dragged into court. I do wonder if that turned into a fundamental cultural inflection point for them.
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#217Wolfram Alpha was my ChatGPT when I was in school. And many of the same issues ("how will kids learn math now?") were raised at the time. ...Yeah, this seems like a great match, no complaints from me. Those kinds of responses are exactly what LLMs need.
I agree for the most part, but the part that scares me is that kids know less and less about how these things work. It is just too magical. The last post by Wolfram taught me how limited it was. I never thought there could be a workable merger between the two platforms. So this scares me.
The result are college freshmen that don't know how to do arithmetic with fractions, much less higher math. I was able to graduate without being able to integrate.
And now OpenAI comes along and is about to apply even more pressure to this underqualified workforce. I'm already preparing for the whole "Given the recent advances in AI, why should I hire you?" shenanigans. And I personally know people whose job consists basicially just of writing E-Mails and coordinating employees. If you'd ask HN about them, they're basicially a worthless human individual, a parasite leeching off of corporate money that shouldn't exist, or at least seriously consider sepukku if they had any morale.
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#218Well, this shores up one of ChatGPT's biggest weaknesses, especially GPT4's. I wonder when we'll see the pace of refinement for this drop off.
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In terms of product innovation, OpenAI is now like Google and Google is now like Xerox.
Wow, as somebody who remembers Xerox's lethargy even in the 80s and 90s, that's both an incredibly apt comparison and shockingly accurate.
If they managed this well, it'd could be much more long-lived than other corporations.
Google itself could loose steam but other companies, e.g. DeepMind, could fill in the void.
However, the founders seem not to care.
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#220Well, this shores up one of ChatGPT's biggest weaknesses, especially GPT4's. I wonder when we'll see the pace of refinement for this drop off.
If wonder if it will drop off.
The massive recent improvements in GPT’s performance are a result of giving the model enormous numbers of parameters and a wealth of training data. That’s it.
Surely this paradigm cannot scale up indefinitely. Moore’s law is moribund.
Are we going to build a supercomputer that encircles the globe just for the purpose of trying to make the biggest LLM we can?
Also, even we could scale indefinitely, there is no reason to suspect that an LLM with hundreds of quadrillions of parameters will somehow magically spontaneously become an AGI.
It’s tempting to think that the line will go up forever, but that just doesn’t square with reality.
Anyone whose response to this is something like “well, maybe all the brain is doing is just the same thing that LLMs do” is fundamentally underestimating the complexity of the human brain by many orders of magnitude.
It is the most complex system in the known universe and we do not understand it at all.
I am generally optimistic about AI, but to me it is the absolute height of delusional hubris to think that superintelligence is likely to somehow “fall out” of a language model, just as soon as we make one large enough and give it enough training data.
To come to such a conclusion reveals a failure to grasp the magnitude of the problem.