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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Then it becomes really annoying when we're both in the car and I want to use my phone.

There is no magic solution that would, without user intervention, automatically know which phone you want to connect. It can't (yet) read your mind.

There is a magic solution. It's called "Ask the user". All these companies think they know what's best for users, with their minimal settings, AI, and auto-magic this-that. Just ask.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Well, I wish BMW did the same. Wanted to go for the new BMW M2. But now instead of a well-integrated speedometer & central display they shaved it off of the dash and put in place this monstrosity of a wide screen. It's just bolted on with no sense of cohesion. And with that the buttons for climate control are gone. Want to turn on heated seats? Touch the screen. Change fan speed? Touch the screen. All things that I c…

It's such a bummer because I think the last 2-3 generations of BMW's iDrive system have been absolute rockstars among autos. Sad to see them go backwards with iDrive 8 where you have to navigate nested menus to toggle heated seat controls.

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Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

At least you only rented it. I've never driven a Tesla but I don't have to to know that would be horrible.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

> the music fades Disgusting.

Love when the music fades for like 5 seconds to play a 250ms chime.

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Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

Core functions like HVAC and hazard lights deserve dedicated controls, but modern cars also need a type of input that can be used with a tablet-sized display. What to do? *Rotary Encoders* The best type of input for a car is a rotary encoder, a knob with tactile "clicks" that register as you turn it. Good ones can also be pressed down like a button, and moved in cardinal directions like a d-pad. Have one for your vol…

Sounds like you'd like Mazda.

> Have one for your volume knob: pressing it down toggles muting.

Check.

> Have one for the main controls: twisting moves the cursor, swiping changes which app is selected.

Check.

> Good ones can also be pressed down like a button, and moved in cardinal directions like a d-pad.

Check.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Hyundai is on a roll now. IONIQ 5 is one of the fastest-charging EVs, and yes, still has physical buttons.

I wish someone would EV a convertible, a glass roof is nice, but a convertible cannot be heavier that all that glass.

it's about aero, not weight. EVs have great range at low speed and at high speed rolling resistance is 90+% of your drag. glass holds a very smooth curve extremely well.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

The human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine.

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When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

I really want an option like this

   Enable

   [ X ] Audio

   [   ] Phone Calls

       
Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once.

I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times.

Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.

For me, the weirdest/most dangerous quirk is that the 'gears' (drive/reverse) are located on the right stalk, on several occasions I've toggled it in the wrong direction.

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