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New Zealand can't even stop people smoking methamphetamine, there's no way this will be effective.
I don’t know a ton about NZ, but I never would’ve imagined they have a meth problem. Last I heard Aus and NZ both have incredibly expensive drugs since most (all?) drugs have to be imported?
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That zeal. From what I heared, anti-drug laws may be construed is that selling is a different matter and possession and production are accessory. That's why possession of small amounts of cannabis for example is decriminalized while traffiking is still prossecuted where I'm from. This is arguable because addictive substances will be sold with the intention of creating dependence, not unlike the loot box topic, thus i…
I think it's more likely the "great taste" is down to it being an addictive substance. If smoking animal dung got you high, people would probably rationalise about it tasting great as well.
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Nicotine is a mild stimulant and we have practically built a society in which stimulant use is nearly essential (see caffeine for example)
Hmm yes but I don't believe people willingly pick nicotine to deal with that. Most of us just grab an espresso. It's the people that were already smoking that go for the nicotine. And if it were that harmless, why wouldn't they put it in drinks?
How generous of the grown ups to ban things for other people but not yourself. Like it's objectively a good thing but it seems so silly and immature to me. How good could society be by now if we could get every generation to pass restrictions on the vices of the next generation only, I suppose. Edit: I know talking about down voting is discouraged, but since I'm being downvoted, why not go further? Alcohol is also ob…
> Alcohol is also objectively bad, why not implement this for alchohol? Well we both know that will never happen. But yes, alcohol is harmful but I think smoking is even more so. If Cost is NZ only concern, they can always charge more for healthcare for people who drink/smoke, price depends upon length of use. But we all know that will never work. Where I work, just about everyone when signing up for healthcare alway…
The "smokers are expensive in the healthcare system" argument worked when cigarettes were cheap, but hasn't been true in the last decade.
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How bad would the ‘war on life’ abuse have to be before one would consider that humanity probably can’t handle this responsibility. Especially now that we see suicides line up with date specific tax penalties in the EU… (/morbid laugh)
What the.... ? > humanity probably can’t handle this responsibility. Again, evidence please. Assisted Dying stuff seems to be actually useful for people in very bad situations, where death is "actually better" (for various measures :p). That other people are not working with it in good faith isn't (by itself) an indication of humanity not being able to handle the responsibility. At least, it doesn't seem that way so…
I grew up in a household with two smoking parents, and it sucked. So on a personal level, nothing would be better than the world collectively giving up the nasty habit. However, I would never, ever advocate or vote for forcing people to do that. Why? Because you could make the exact same case for every single vice. Alcohol has zero benefits for your health - don't even try to give me the "but wine has antioxidants" B…
Red meat: https://www.healthdata.org/research-article/health-effects-a...
Saturated fats: Nina Teicholz: A short history of saturated fat: the making and CURRENT unmaking of a scientific consensus
I do not understand why so many adult people favor a nanny state; it means to be treated like a child or an idiot and to promote that all people get forcefully treated like this. One should fight this with all means.
Edt: I forgot, that a moderate amount of alcohol each day (i.e. 1 glas of wine) reduces the probability of dementia when one approaches death.
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For sure, and I'm assuming the parents were great in every other respect. Assuming the best — that they didn't understand the harm of secondhand smoke — wouldn't a ban have been helpful to them in the same way that a ban on lead paint is helpful?
Sounds like Prohibition but for cigarettes. We know how that went. We also know what banning marijuana hasn't worked out too well. At the start of Covid pandemic South Africa banned the sales of cigarettes for about three months. Result was lots of unscrupulous people became rich [0][1]. [0] https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/468724/governments-... [1] https://www.africanews.com/2022/06/17/cigarette-smuggling-t…
New Zealand can't even stop people smoking methamphetamine, there's no way this will be effective.
I don’t know a ton about NZ, but I never would’ve imagined they have a meth problem. Last I heard Aus and NZ both have incredibly expensive drugs since most (all?) drugs have to be imported?
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I think there are levels to it though. Smoking is across the board "fucking awful". Whereas a glass of wine a day isn't going to really stress your liver (presupposing no existing issues), whereas a pack of smokes a day absolutely will do damage to your healthy lungs. Also second hand smoke is a big deal.
Is there such a thing as "a glass of wine"? Usually it is "two" unless you happen to always dine in groups of four.