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81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by marcosdumay »

merpkz wrote: post #165
pid-1 wrote: post #93

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> where the money is going AWS in particular is handsomely engineered so you can't answer this sort of question, as well as making people spend more without need. - Per resource cost is turned off by default. Turning it on costs money. How much? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Services like S3 will bill you per API call. How do you know who is calling your APIs? Using Cloud trail, which is turned off by default. Turning it on for this s…

Million dollar question - at which point it gets easier to learn how to host things on your own vs keeping up with this cloud mumbo-jumbo bull type of knowledge?

Since the beginning.

The scalable cloud is useful for scalable workloads (AKA how many times is you peak demand larger than the average?). If you want managed infrastructure, you are looking for renting a managed server or VPS.

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Post by squokko »

phpisthebest wrote: post #202
squokko wrote: post #135

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You need to understand the engineering to set a sensible budget. What should the concrete budget be for a new 50-story skyscraper in New York City? You'd need to know quite a bit about the specific building and the construction market to answer that question. You couldn't just be some MBA with a spreadsheet.

But you are working backwards from how most people and businesses do budgeting Budgets are not about what things cost, it is about what you or the business can afford. For example, I do not need to know how much Steak is this week to know I have $100 for food.. If steak fits in the budget then great, if not I get chicken... or beans...

No, you can't decide that you can afford $10 million for concrete so that's what you'll spend. You figure out what it costs, then you figure out how much money you can make from the building, then you decide whether you can build it.dddd

The steak example is different because the steak has a price tag on it.

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Post by sgtnoodle »

za3faran wrote: post #60
sgtnoodle wrote: post #57

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Indeed. The whole point of CI and simulation is to reduce significantly more expensive manual testing. A couple months ago, folk were grumbling about a non-deterministic failure in the main build CI plan, for the N'th time without attempting to do anything about it. So, I proceeded to queue up dozens of jobs at a time, every 15 minutes for several hours, until I had several failures worth of interesting logs. I also…

Is the flight simulation code open source?

No it is not, but you could take a look at airsim or gazebo.

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Post by xfitm3 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #85
xfitm3 wrote: post #66

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I did an extensive cost analysis of a 1MW datacenter vs Cloud 10 years or so ago, so this stale data but take it as an anecdote. Accounting for the lease, facillity equipment (UPS, STS, CRACs, generator, fuel, raised flooring, cabinets, BMS, etc), compute equipment (PDUs, servers, spare parts), facilities and technical staff, the costs for AWS were substantially cheaper. The trick is you need skills, most of which ar…

You don't need to build your own datacenter. Rent a server or a colocation rack in an existing datacenter. The result will still be orders of magnitude cheaper than AWS.

Building your own has more margin, colos are expensive and they force you to buy things like blended bandwidth to increase their margins. Running your own dark fiber ring with dwdm and peering at exchanges is way better when your product is data.

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Post by mawadev »

I saw 3 containers with about 4 crud apis per container produce $200-400 bills every month, where they all talked to the same single dynamo and s3 bucket...

For about 4-5 users... You can't imagine the effort of configuring around and keeping up with the latest updates. Saddest part is the frontend had so much glue code, it was not fun to look at.

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Post by bradleyjg »

gw99 wrote: post #74
bradleyjg wrote: post #70

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But how does it take a over week to answer the question? In my experience it takes azure support over a week to answer any question. Unless the question happens to be which person without a substantial update is taking over the case. You’ll get lots and lots of those answers.

If it's any consolation it's not much better on the AWS side. We are currently waiting for them to fix something which they recently broke but some dude is on holiday. I suspect he's the only dude who knows how it works. Even our account managers can't seem to brow beat anyone into fixing it. Someone else's computer has been painful and very expensive for our organisation so far. Escalating costs aren't even the wors…

I believe that’s been your experience, but it hasn’t been mine. I’ve had mostly positive support experiences with AWS.

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Post by YuriNiyazov »

dilyevsky wrote: post #45
YuriNiyazov wrote: post #43

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Medium sized VC funded companies are usually not profitable month to month, and have a runway - how many months till we run out of cash? Previously, having two years of runway was considered plenty since new rounds were raised every 18 months or so. The word around VCs is that there won’t be as much bubbly investment as there was in the last decade, so now a four year runway is a common target. So you cut costs till…

4y is insane for anything before round B (?). Might as well bootstrap at this point.

Yea, but when I say "Medium-Sized" I definitely don't mean "before round (B)".

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Post by bushbaba »

darkwater wrote: post #115
pid-1 wrote: post #93

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> where the money is going AWS in particular is handsomely engineered so you can't answer this sort of question, as well as making people spend more without need. - Per resource cost is turned off by default. Turning it on costs money. How much? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Services like S3 will bill you per API call. How do you know who is calling your APIs? Using Cloud trail, which is turned off by default. Turning it on for this s…

> - Using many accounts is by far the best way to segregate unrelated projects. But then, you will end up paying for many criminally underutilized NAT GWs, VPN connections, Load Balancers, etc... And you can have business support only on one account... obviously you can go Enterprise and have the same support level on everything but pay a lot more $$$

Offline contracts could require support to be applied across all spend.

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Post by gw99 »

bradleyjg wrote: post #217
gw99 wrote: post #74

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If it's any consolation it's not much better on the AWS side. We are currently waiting for them to fix something which they recently broke but some dude is on holiday. I suspect he's the only dude who knows how it works. Even our account managers can't seem to brow beat anyone into fixing it. Someone else's computer has been painful and very expensive for our organisation so far. Escalating costs aren't even the wors…

I believe that’s been your experience, but it hasn’t been mine. I’ve had mostly positive support experiences with AWS.

Core services are fine. All the problems are on things they built on their core infrastructure proposition.
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