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81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #174
BlargMcLarg wrote: post #121

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This also means engineers need to be given the means to do so. From my experience, most engineers are not given the very basics to change things, observe important metrics and metric changes, and take the time to formulate a strategy. In theory most places are running with slack. In practice they run under capacity, and engineers aren't going to worry about things out of their control.

The good thing about spending $20k a month on cloud is they will happily take your money, and make it easy to do so, whereas spending the same on a dev means hiring them first which is a bit of a hassle.

Beyond ridiculous once you leave SV, by the way. Being difficult about dev salaries but no problem spending 1-10x that on cloud services because one CBA to give their devs time to research costs and metrics.. and then complain why there are so few specialists. The lack of introspection is palpable.

Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by darkwater »

ldoughty wrote: post #168
darkwater wrote: post #132

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I guess so, unless we were severely misinformed. We had historically one big AWS account, we are now splitting it into more fine-controlled accounts and migrated under a "root" account following AWS best-practices to have unified billing and we can enable the Business support only on the big (legacy) account where we run 100% prod and other things. I don't think we had the option to enable it on the root account and…

Each AWS account can have it's own support plan.. for a while we had some accounts with a mix of Enterprise and business support.. in fact, every child we made for business support for a while even though we had enterprise support across our AWS organizations

I think you can do that only if you have Enterprise at some point, but I might be wrong

Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by selfmodruntime »

roody15 wrote: post #173
merpkz wrote: post #165

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Million dollar question - at which point it gets easier to learn how to host things on your own vs keeping up with this cloud mumbo-jumbo bull type of knowledge?

Old School IT guy here (19 years as Director of IT). I Host 80% of our main programs in house, Financial System, data-management, web servers, email servers, security door lock system, camera systems, etc. I have turned down offers of "cloud" for years we have a block of 32 IP addresses and this has been enough to handle our externally available resource needs. It just always seems a bit salesie to me. Bring your net…

I always get the feeling that most cloud ideas come straight out of California, where hiring even an unexperienced administrator could cost you a couple hundred grand a year. Of course cloud services look pretty attractive if you can just instead hire one consultant for a one time fee and pay way less until your business grows.

The problem is that mostly anywhere else in the world, you can get personell for much cheaper.

Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by gw99 »

pugz wrote: post #105
gw99 wrote: post #74

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If it's any consolation it's not much better on the AWS side. We are currently waiting for them to fix something which they recently broke but some dude is on holiday. I suspect he's the only dude who knows how it works. Even our account managers can't seem to brow beat anyone into fixing it. Someone else's computer has been painful and very expensive for our organisation so far. Escalating costs aren't even the wors…

Out of interest, what support tier are you on? Is it the Enterprise ($15k/month minimum) tier? I've found that AWS Support will resolve any non-critical issue within at most a few hours on that tier. (Our cloud spend was $1M/month)

We have the $15k enterprise contract.

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WJW wrote: post #114
carlmr wrote: post #101

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>The solution never tried: share the spoils of efficiency with your teams. Funny enough, for all the problems with studying business administration, they do teach this as part of the principal-agent problem. If the principal wants something done, and the agent has no incentive to do it, you need to give the agent some of the incentive so their interests are aligned with yours. At the same time it's something you rare…

Rather they than just "they don't like to share", the BA types don't do this because in one of their other classes they have been taught about the downsides of such incentives, like: - Corrosive effects on team cohesion, when separate ICs compete to see who can find cost savings first. - The "cobra effect", where engineers will deliberately introduce cost inefficiencies so that they can fix their own bugs later. - (R…

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Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by willcipriano »

WJW wrote: post #114
carlmr wrote: post #101

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>The solution never tried: share the spoils of efficiency with your teams. Funny enough, for all the problems with studying business administration, they do teach this as part of the principal-agent problem. If the principal wants something done, and the agent has no incentive to do it, you need to give the agent some of the incentive so their interests are aligned with yours. At the same time it's something you rare…

Rather they than just "they don't like to share", the BA types don't do this because in one of their other classes they have been taught about the downsides of such incentives, like: - Corrosive effects on team cohesion, when separate ICs compete to see who can find cost savings first. - The "cobra effect", where engineers will deliberately introduce cost inefficiencies so that they can fix their own bugs later. - (R…

Yeah I mean imagine if you applied these sort of incentives to executives, they would do silly stuff like take out loans to buy up the company stock or cut corners and destroy customer loyalty for a few good quarters of metrics before they depart to another firm.

Re: 81% of IT teams directed to reduce or halt cloud spending

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Post by quickthrower2 »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #181
quickthrower2 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing about spending $20k a month on cloud is they will happily take your money, and make it easy to do so, whereas spending the same on a dev means hiring them first which is a bit of a hassle.

Beyond ridiculous once you leave SV, by the way. Being difficult about dev salaries but no problem spending 1-10x that on cloud services because one CBA to give their devs time to research costs and metrics.. and then complain why there are so few specialists. The lack of introspection is palpable.

There is definitely ego. How could I possibly pay a human a million a year? Give it to a corp… no problemo!

Reminds me when I worked for a company. Tight with raises but spending half a junior dev salary on some monthly service they never used. And a couple of dev salaries per year on the company party!

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