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Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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> pretty good track record when it comes to consumer rights Are you sure EU has "pretty good track record" with these fines of Google, FB, et al.? If anything, I'd say the EU puts a mild theatre every now and then, and gives the US giants a free pass otherwise.

I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons the EU exists is to fine US tech companies instead of trying to compete

Dear Americans,

Not everything in this world revolves around you.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Cool. The EU does have its [many!] faults. But they have a pretty good track record when it comes to consumer rights and consumer choice. Next up I'd like to see them do the same for the plethora of incompatible cordless power-tool systems out there as they did with insisting all mobile phones standardise on a USB connector.

If the EU standardizes on battery packs, Ryobi needs go get a free pass or extension of some sort. Ryobi have kept the same battery format for 25 years, whereas their competitors have changed battery standards 2 or 3 times during that timeframe.

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Is this not already possible with things like LineageOS?

It's about the contractual obligations Google forced on makers. What the user does with the device after purchase is out of the scope of this ruling.

No, what I mean is that manufacturers don’t have to include the play store if they don’t like Google’s requirements around using it?

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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A summary of the original findings by the European Commission (1): "By decision of 18 July 2018, the Commission fined Google for having abused its dominant position by imposing anticompetitive contractual restrictions on manufacturers of mobile devices and on mobile network operators, in some cases since 1 January 2011. Three types of restriction were identified: 1. those contained in ‘distribution agreements’, requi…

The irony is that if Google had not licensed Android and only manufactured its own devices, like Apple does, it could restrict consumer options much more harshly without EU fines and restrictions.

DMA may be coming soon and would most likely affect Apple too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Cool. The EU does have its [many!] faults. But they have a pretty good track record when it comes to consumer rights and consumer choice. Next up I'd like to see them do the same for the plethora of incompatible cordless power-tool systems out there as they did with insisting all mobile phones standardise on a USB connector.

I was pleased to see recently that a couple of different brands at my local DIY store had interoperable batteries. I bought a small lawnmower which now uses the same battery as a cordless drill from another brand. The brands that joined are listed on their marketing site[0]. Edit: One of the companies has a slightly less obnoxious website which also lists brands[1] [0] https://www.powerforall-alliance.com/en/#technol…

Oh cool, so there are two competing battery pack standards :D

https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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>The AOSP ecosystem has a healthy range of ROMs to choose from on many devices. But it's not true choice is it? It's just the same old same old with a different skin on top. Much the same as the similarly claimed 'choice' in Linux distros pretty much boils down to the same old same old collection of apps running on the same old same old collection of desktop environments. But with eleventy billion superficial skins l…

Are you seriously trying to argue that all linux distros are the same except for their UI?

Yep. That’s pretty much the case. They are functionally the same for 99% of users.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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It’s not clear to me what the EU, specifically, wants Google to do here from the article. Any insight?

For example, not require that Chrome be preinstalled as the default browser on Android devices, and not require that a bundle of Google apps be preinstalled if any of them is preinstalled.

That's absolutely not what the ruling wants.

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Of the tools you listed, none are made by the same company. At least for their primary products. All of the large format packs have pins for each cell, so charging with a standard balance charger is pretty easy. You can find plenty of schematics for homemade controllers online. Where they differ however, are the other pins. Some use a communication protocol like SMBUS. Some have dedicated pins for specific things lik…

But in all honesty, that is their problem. They chose this road and knew there were riches on it but also risks.

Who's problem exactly? The communicating packs are WAY better. They last much longer than the old style. It makes sense why this was done.

Re: Google loses EU appeal and is fined a record $4B

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Cool. The EU does have its [many!] faults. But they have a pretty good track record when it comes to consumer rights and consumer choice. Next up I'd like to see them do the same for the plethora of incompatible cordless power-tool systems out there as they did with insisting all mobile phones standardise on a USB connector.

I support the charging connector standardization, but not tool batteries. There are so many factors in play I don't see how standardization would offer enough benefit to offset innovation penalties. Even within a given brand/connector, there are variations on capabilities like size and duty cycle and power output. I have a bunch of Milwaukee cordless tools on the M18 platform, and the smaller tools (e.g. drills) can use any battery but some tools (e.g. chainsaw) only work with a subset because of higher power draw.

I have cordless tools across a number of battery platforms and while it's convenient when they can be shared, it's ultimately not a big deal to have a few if another company makes a better tool. Tradespeople won't lock themselves in if the right tool is on a different platform.

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