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Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Post by LorenPechtel »

falcor84 wrote: post #39
rossmohax wrote: post #4

It is not the first time when product simulates imperfections of the past technology to make product more authentic in customers eyes. Film color,lenses defects, lots of "analog" audio effects and now cars.

On a sidenote, here's a controversial opinion - electrically-powered analog clocks are silly and we should discontinue making them.

I can read an analog clock at a greater range than I can read a digital of the same size. Usually not that big a deal for me but without my glasses the difference is substantial.

Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Post by trasz »

kube-system wrote: post #146
trasz wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this still a problem now that we have auto braking?

Auto braking only mitigates crash impact in some scenarios, and prevents impacts in even fewer scenarios.

I wonder if we could have radio beacons for pedestrians, in addition to the current braking systems which use radio waves reflected from electronically passive pedestrians.

It might not even require GPS or anything complicated; just respond to car’s radar squawks, so that it can measure the distance and relative speed from the delay and Doppler shift. You’d need to use frequency that bounces around nicely, to “get around” other cars blocking the line of sight. We can’t do that with passive pedestrians, because we can’t tell the echo from pedestrian from the (also moving, like other cars) background. This could work more reliably and at much higher distances.

Of course someone must have tested that already; I’d be grateful for a link :-)

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Post by dieselgate »

This is awesome, not having a manual transmission is one of the biggest drawbacks of modern cars for myself and presumably many others Edit: I do have questions about efficiency because I was assume an EV manual may actually be less efficient than an automatic or single speed trans

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Post by hbarka »

kvark wrote: post #202
hbarka wrote: post #131

Hyundai, Kia, and Audi EVs have paddle shifters which controls the level of regeneration braking and feels very much like downshifting. One paddle (+) steps up the regen to the point where the “drag” gets progressively stronger. The other paddle (-) steps down regen to 0 where the car can coast and there is no regen drag whatsoever. Note this is not the same as Neutral. The car is always in Drive. The function only a…

When would you actually need to not have the max regen braking? You can always just push the drive pedal slightly to let the car know you aren’t slowing down, instead.

Yes but constantly feathering like this causes foot fatigue.

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Post by kube-system »

trasz wrote: post #212
kube-system wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto braking only mitigates crash impact in some scenarios, and prevents impacts in even fewer scenarios.

I wonder if we could have radio beacons for pedestrians, in addition to the current braking systems which use radio waves reflected from electronically passive pedestrians. It might not even require GPS or anything complicated; just respond to car’s radar squawks, so that it can measure the distance and relative speed from the delay and Doppler shift. You’d need to use frequency that bounces around nicely, to “get ar…

It’s a neat idea, but adoption would likely be enough of a challenge to undermine the efficacy.

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Post by robryk »

xxs wrote: post #208
robryk wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK authorities agree with you: if you pass the exam with a manual car you can use both, but if you pass it with an automatic one, you can only drive automatic ones.

It's the entirety of Europe - manual=both, automatic=automatic only.

Switzerland had that, but abandoned the distinction in 2019: now there are no transmission restrictions on Swiss licenses.

Source: https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/dokumentation/medienmittei..., grep for Automateneintrag

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Post by falcolas »

teknopaul wrote: post #172
falcolas wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment is more about why torque should be limitable, not a critique on electric cars.

Most cars have traction control AFAIK. Instead of limiting max torque, they notice when it's spinning the wheels. Same in reverse for breaks and abs. On my car you can turn it off if you want some fun on dirt tracks.

Once the wheels are spinning, its often too late. At least in my experience. Its best used to accelerate with minimal spin, and is mediocre - at best - at preventing traction loss in turns of any kind.

Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Post by salmo »

zcw100 wrote: post #134

I love driving manual transmission cars but I really don't like this. It's like cosplay for cars. The simulated experience makes it very uncool. I'd rather just let the manual transmission have one last dignified drive into the sunset.

It all depends on the clutch to me. My ADHD is so satisfied by a manual. I’m engaged in the machine. It’s fun and you don’t need a real sports car.

But paddle shifters do nothing for me. There’s no feel to it. It’s more like 3 on the tree.

If the clutch gives it feel and control, I’m in.

Sadly, finding a real manual is hard these days. Most cars don’t offer them. My Honda is stuck in 1 package with a mid-2000s style dash. Still fun to drive.

I should look and see if I could retrofit an Apple Car Play/ Android Auto system in it…

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Post by [deleted] »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #176
Analemma_ wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric motors don’t need manual (or indeed, any) transmissions because they have a basically-flat torque curve across their entire RPM range. The only options for an electric motor are fake transmission or no transmission, and the parent is arguing for the latter and against “transmission cosplay”. A real manual transmission on an electric car would have no point.

Torque isn't the only consideration, there's also efficiency and acceleration. Transmission aren't a necessity like they are in ICE cars, but they can improve the experience. For instance the Porsche Taycan: "Having a multispeed transmission in an EV provides the same benefits that it does in a gasoline-powered car: improved low-speed acceleration and increased efficiency at high velocity by lowering the rotating spe…

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Re: Toyota patents plans for EV with manual transmission and clutch

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Post by bryanlarsen »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #210
bryanlarsen wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're used to a manual, an automatic feels mushy. An EV is directly coupled, so adding a manual transmission makes it more must, rather than less.

Disagree--I used to have that objection with automatics, but the modern ones are good enough I no longer feel that way. Never have I felt my Corolla made the wrong choice about gears.

It's the lag on the accelerator pedal that I think of when I think of mush.
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