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Porsche boss faces software woes keeping VW a step behind Tesla

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Post by lordnacho »

worik wrote: post #112
sgjohnson wrote: post #86

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> Apple has less than 10% of the PC market. What do you think the rest of them are running? If you didn't pay for your copy of Windows (which you most likely didn't, far more likely it was provided to you in another way, such as OEM or your employer), you are not Microsoft's customer. Likewise, if you got the free license from upgrading, you're also not their customer. Pirated Windows? Not their customer. Bought one…

That makes no sense. If you use Microsoft products you are their customer. Splitting hairs is a bit silly

Perhaps GP means to highlight the distinction between the person deciding whether the money gets spent and the operation who uses the product. That can man a lot, eg if a boss just buys whatever he thinks it's good without asking the team what they want to use.

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Post by dnissley »

prng2021 wrote: post #149
jillesvangurp wrote: post #131

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What people say they value and what they spend their money on are usually very different things. The reality is that Tesla is selling well and companies that are investing in similar products are doing extremely well currently. For all their flaws, these cars are way better than ICE cars. VW is getting a lot of criticism. Yet, if you try to order one now, you might be waiting until well into next year. They are selli…

I’m not criticizing EVs in any way. I’m criticizing the industry trend to use a touch screen to control everything. That trend applies to both EVs and ICE cars if you look at interior car designs over the last few years. I view it as a huge regression. I don’t see EV sales as relevant here. It doesn’t prove that people are lining up to buy them because of touch screens. There’s a wide variety of reasons to account fo…

The Nissan leaf had a pretty traditional dashboard w/physical knobs IIRC. Last I heard it's being discontinued.

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Post by somerandomqaguy »

gumby wrote: post #15

I've been following this debacle in the German press and I think there's a structural problem that they will struggle to dig their way out of. And by "they" I don't mean just VW, but much of European industry. Software is simply not valued in Europe, and not because there aren't amazing developers there -- there are many. But software isn't considered important Let's start with cars. Back before cars were just comput…

>IMHO the only countries that really understand software at both a technical and business value add level are US, AUS, Canada, China, with India less so but in that group and Japan just barely getting in. Pretty damning.

We're paid pretty low in Canada as well. The two devs that started at the same time I started my career had a salary of $11/hr ($7.62/hr USD), both of whom are quite talented. My salary when I stopped being doing testing directly was $52,000 at 9 years of experience. Toronto and Vancouver pay better but the cost of living there is quite high unless you already own the house you live in.

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Post by firecall »

ungamed wrote: post #173
firecall wrote: post #139

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It's interesting you mention electronics... Just this week I called out a mobile mechanic from our state automobile club here in Australia, to replace the battery in my old 911. He was really nice bloke, older guy, and we got chatting about cars. Now he reckoned that he has the most problems with European cars, most of which are considered premium or mid level brands in Australia. Always putting Euro cars on the back…

Never buy Euro cars in Australia, they spend more time in the shop, the parts cost more and you'll spend a month at least waiting for the part. They are simply not made for the conditions here.

At least in the dry conditions of South Australia there isn't a problem with rust ;-)

My old '99 model Porsche 911 996 is an exception to the rule. It's free motoring at this point; price rise since I purchased it 4 years ago has covered the cost of all and any expenses, including fuel and insurance.

Of course, the 996 was conceived in Porsche around the same time the Japanese came over and helped them out! They were in big trouble before they modernised.

Maybe this is a wake up call to the Germans to get in gear and sort themselves out before they run into (even bigger) trouble again!

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Post by redox99 »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #136

This is funny to me, in a perhaps sad way. I've interviewed quite a few Tesla software engineers and worked with several ex-Tesla software engineers in various capacities. The impression I have is that Tesla software is fucking terrible , generally. I'm sure there are some smart folks there and I don't mean to disparage anyone working there but, the stuff I've seen or heard is enough that I would never purchase one o…

I don't know what software you are referring to. But with the IVI, which is what users interact with, the difference is night and day.

Most cars have shitty, laggy IVI that will get no meaningful updates. You are on many cases almost forced to use Apple/Android Car.

Teslas give you more of an Apple treatment. You will receive meaningful updates for years. It is mostly fluid and good looking. It is exciting for the people looking for the latest gimmick, the same way people look forward to iOS 15 or whatever.

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Post by TMWNN »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #94
aksss wrote: post #93

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but free , ammaright?

I don’t understand your question. What do you mean by “but free”?

aksss is being sarcastic. When universities are compared across nations, a frequent retort to the preeminence of the top US universities is "But universities in [insert European country here] are free!". aksss's point is that, as MrBuddyCasino indicated, you tend to get what you pay for.

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Post by TMWNN »

KerrAvon wrote: post #110
eightysixfour wrote: post #41

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> It's a "seat warmer", not a "butt heater". “Heat my ass” works fine for me.

Do Teslas seriously accept that? I guess that’s what being moved to Texas gets you.

TI uses Texas English in its software https://books.google.com/books?id=e-gI2W-3JwkC&pg=PA49#v=one...>.

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Post by martin8412 »

pjmlp wrote: post #176
petre wrote: post #150

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SAP. But you wouldn't want to work with SAP anyway. Death by a thousand cuts.

Pay and benefits are good, 40 h/w + extra when overtime happens, 30 day vacation,....

That's the default for everyone working in Europe

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Post by foepys »

TMWNN wrote: post #216
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #94

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I don’t understand your question. What do you mean by “but free”?

aksss is being sarcastic. When universities are compared across nations, a frequent retort to the preeminence of the top US universities is "But universities in [ insert European country here ] are free!". aksss's point is that, as MrBuddyCasino indicated, you tend to get what you pay for.

US metrics based on research programs for how good a university is don't apply to Europe. Comparisons based on those are worthless and the fact it is still being done frequently can be attributed to either incompetence or malice.

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Post by hulitu »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #36
dependsontheq wrote: post #8

I wouldn't call it "woes". I have been driving an VW ID 3 since last year, it runs their custom Android OS System and should have all of the latest features. It has been quite an experience. The car is fine, basic driving functions are fine, even the driver assist features are generally fine if they are running. The software running all the displays and the "augmented" heads up display is ridiculous. The car one did…

"leave the car with all smart keys, go at least 50 meters from the car, wait for 15 minutes" Some engineer actually coded for this - LOL.

The ECUs in the car wait some time after you close the car before going in sleep mode. It's called "parking mode".
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