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Oracle Suspended My Account

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Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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One constant in my 20+ year tech career is: Never trust Oracle, work to eliminate their presence wherever possible. They consistently prove themselves to be predatory and extortionist in all transactions.

Want proof: Ask them if you can convert to a paid service to make your "TOS violation" magically disappear.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Here's Oracle's marketing pitch for their free tier.[1] "Oracle Cloud Infrastructure's Free Tier includes a free time-limited promotional trial that allows you to explore a wide range of Oracle Cloud Infrastructure products, and a set of Always Free offers that never expire." Their FAQ:[2] "When you've reached the end of your 30-day trial or used all your Free Trial credits (whichever comes first), you’ll be notified…

They differentiate between Free Tier and Always Free. The disclaimer that your instances will be deleted after 30 days seems to be worded specifically to not apply to the Always Free, isn't it?

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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It's not intentional against legitimate users, but it is intentional against people abusing the system, because telling them how they got caught will let them adjust what they are doing, to avoid getting caught in the future.

Yes. Exactly. Telling people what they've done wrong enables them to behave better in future. Isn't that what we want... rehabilitation?

"Your free instance used more than 12345* CPU credits under 24 hours, therefore you exceeded the threshold for automatic termination."

This number is published, and someone creates a script to launch hundreds or thousands of free instances that all run exactly 12344 credits every 24 hours and are used as spam boxes, or cryptocurrency mining, or something similar that degrades the platform for all other users.

* meaningless number, pulled out of nowhere, as an example.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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I wait for the day that this conduct becomes illegal, because it can destroy people's lives. It is actually surprising that consumer protection laws do not yet address the issue of due process.

I discovered recently that my bank (in Germany) can cancel my account without cause. My best guess is they were purging the books of Americans, they refused to tell me the reason, but my takeaway is that if this can happen in the consumer-protection nirvana that is the EU, don’t hold your breath waiting for exploitative practices to be outlawed.

This is probably to do with the requirements that the IRS imposes on foreign bank accounts belonging to US citizens. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/10291...

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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I wait for the day that this conduct becomes illegal, because it can destroy people's lives. It is actually surprising that consumer protection laws do not yet address the issue of due process.

I discovered recently that my bank (in Germany) can cancel my account without cause. My best guess is they were purging the books of Americans, they refused to tell me the reason, but my takeaway is that if this can happen in the consumer-protection nirvana that is the EU, don’t hold your breath waiting for exploitative practices to be outlawed.

Well, EU banks hate dealing with USA exporting their laws to their (states') citizens abroad, regarding reporting etc.

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I think if you're making a list of big tech companies that will sometimes randomly shut-out customers due to automated monitoring, then that's all of them isn't it? I've seen a story about every one of them I'm sure. It's not a problem with individual companies, it's a general societal problem.

At least Hacker News isn't randomly suspending accounts without notice...I think.

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Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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It’s a free cloud service. If you rely on someone else to host your compute/storage at no cost, prepare for getting little or very delayed support. Ask all the YouTube creators or Instagram users that had their accounts randomly shut off and had to do a lot of work to get it back. This isn’t specific to Oracle at all. Or try AWS and get a surprise $10k bill that they won’t refund.

Have you had a surprise 10k AWS bill they wont refund? My understanding is that they are (or were) pretty good at writing those off.

There is some criteria you have to meet first. I believe your project must have monitoring in place for billing alerts.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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I have no clues beyond what's in the article, but I suspect that a combination of being from Turkey (author spells it that way) and being on the free tier triggered some sort of auto-script that attempts to detect crypto-mining or something. Attempting to use a VPN to distract from the access from Turkey would probably also trigger some other auto-detector. Free tiers give free tears; they're always fraught with dang…

Why would being from Turkey have an effect in this situation?

Every company that does international business has a table that ranks problematic countries, some where they don't do business, or some where they do with proper preparation, or some where they do business with some caveats.

The list would include descriptions like: "officials routinely expect bribery to perform their normal duties", "has armed conflict, travel is restricted", or simply "very high inflation, only accept USD and EUR".

Only countries not in the list are considered open to do business normally.

Turkey would be part of that list, with some danger level.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not intentional against legitimate users, but it is intentional against people abusing the system, because telling them how they got caught will let them adjust what they are doing, to avoid getting caught in the future.

Yes. Exactly. Telling people what they've done wrong enables them to behave better in future. Isn't that what we want... rehabilitation?

No, the goal is to identify problematic humans and blacklist them forever

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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They are.

HN has a rich history of shadowbanning unwanted users. Everyone should turn on "showdead" on their profile, which, to be fair, is at least an option.

They really shouldn't. People don't get randomly shadowbanned. Turning it on just shows a whole lot of vile, aggressive, hysterical rubbish.
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