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Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by rayiner »

pempem wrote: post #145
rapsey wrote: post #134

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Coastal regions are always more prosperous.

Like FLA and GA? California has higher taxes, california also has internationally ranked economies at the city level. Of course things could be better, and like a previous commenter mentioned, there are missing investments in housing, transportation and more. That is however, because of the continuous specter of the right winning state offices and the "left" party basically being centerist.

Georgia faster than the country as a whole during that period. Georgia's per capita income grew from 70% as much as the national average in 1945 to 94% in 2000: https://cslf.gsu.edu/files/2014/06/historical_perspective_of...

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Post by rayiner »

feet wrote: post #196
monocasa wrote: post #192

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FLA/GA are absolutely major ports. Savannah is the fourth busiest port in the US, right behind combined New Jersey/New York.

People will say anything to avoid admitting that a higher tax, slightly center right state is doing well because of those policies and politics Cognitive dissonance, just like the fact that all of the red states have way higher gun deaths per capita than any blue state yet they'll scream about Chicago without looking at the actual numbers

> Cognitive dissonance, just like the fact that all of the red states have way higher gun deaths per capita than any blue state yet they'll scream about Chicago without looking at the actual numbers

That's not cognitive dissonance, just different definitions. Red staters focus on total homicides. Age-adjusted homicide rates don't bear any clear pattern with red states versus blue states: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality.... https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownersh...

Some of the states with the highest levels of gun ownership, like Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Minnesota, and Maine, have the lowest levels of homicides. Rhode Island has far fewer guns than Maine and New Hampshire, but all three have similar homicide rates.

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Post by rayiner »

bushbaba wrote: post #111
hcknwscommenter wrote: post #91

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Some of the best public elementary, middle/junior, and high schools in the country are in California. Some of the worst are as well. California as a whole has a pretty good public school system. There are certainly issues. But many of them are really just debatable trade offs. For example, the whole San Francisco ed board recall. The main issue (aside from the renaming, which really was a side show to the main event)…

The rankings beg to disagree - https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-public-high-schools/ . Even the best schools in California are not as good as the other state's top schools. It doesn't help that 18%!!! of students in California's public education system are ESL. That's not due to Visa & green-card immigrants.

Texas and Florida do a much better job educating their minority and ESL kids going by NAEP scores.

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Post by rayiner »

sli wrote: post #167
google234123 wrote: post #79

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They are talking about non-higher ed when referring to "schools".

My experience with elementary school in California vs. Florida as a kid had such a disparity in quality in favor of California that I was able to notice it even at that young of an age. I came to figure out why much later in life, but I'll never forget that feeling like I'd taken a huge step back.

Maybe as a kid. But Florida kicks California's ass in K12 education these days. https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?chor...

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Post by csdreamer7 »

taeric wrote: post #121
csdreamer7 wrote: post #97

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Bullet train: despite earthquakes and mountains, Japan runs a pretty decent network of high speed trains. Politics, well documented by the papers, show how a high speed train had repeated stops added to it, and was slowed down in California to the speed of a regular train while costing much more. Despite adding an additional 1.0% tax to fund mental health, homelessness has only increased in California. Efforts to red…

I'm not sure this fully tracks. A type of public transit failed in California that succeeded elsewhere. If that is the reference, why can't I point to the tech industry and use it as positive evidence? And, most of the bad things you are bringing up are happening all throughout the US. Just feels too convenient to say that the tech industry is in spite of the government, but the failures are because of it.

> I'm not sure this fully tracks. A type of public transit failed in California that succeeded elsewhere. If that is the reference, why can't I point to the tech industry and use it as positive evidence?

You asked for an example of another government doing better. I gave you a recent one by California's government. Japan is perhaps the best one, but many other countries do trains a lot better than California despite all the hype and money they put in it's mediocre result. It was a very open question that your follow up questions are trying to pivot to something else.

> And, most of the bad things you are bringing up are happening all throughout the US.

Please read my post again. Being below average in K-12 among the states, despite the high taxes and land values, is not happening all throughout the US.

> Just feels too convenient to say that the tech industry is in spite of the government, but the failures are because of it.

Please read what I wrote carefully above, I did not agree with that fully. My argument was more of the recent CA govt has not been addressing it's problems and the tech industry's success was due to good decisions in the past (and the weather). The recent CA govt actions has been poor. Calling the recent tech boom in spite of government policies is something I can somewhat agree with.

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Post by feet »

rayiner wrote: post #212
feet wrote: post #196

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People will say anything to avoid admitting that a higher tax, slightly center right state is doing well because of those policies and politics Cognitive dissonance, just like the fact that all of the red states have way higher gun deaths per capita than any blue state yet they'll scream about Chicago without looking at the actual numbers

> Cognitive dissonance, just like the fact that all of the red states have way higher gun deaths per capita than any blue state yet they'll scream about Chicago without looking at the actual numbers That's not cognitive dissonance, just different definitions. Red staters focus on total homicides. Age-adjusted homicide rates don't bear any clear pattern with red states versus blue states: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pres…

Focusing on homicides where guns weren't involved in a conversation about guns is disingenuous and distracts from the issue at hand

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Post by s1artibartfast »

hourago wrote: post #156
s1artibartfast wrote: post #26

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Cheap!

Deadly!

Perhaps is some instances. But there are greatly diminishing returns on cost and regulations in terms of life expectancy. A lot of basic care can go a long way for a low cost with no regulation

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Post by baskethead »

raldi wrote: post #189
baskethead wrote: post #177

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Nancy Pelosi has been CA rep for decades and she is worth over $100M, meanwhile California education system is shit, the prison system is shit, taxes are among the highest in the US, income inequality is fucked, water is fucked, electricity is fucked. Same goes for all those politicians like Diane Feinstein, etc. The last time a Republican had any presence in California was 30 years ago and the Dems have driven this…

Republicans have a hammerlock over California to this day, thanks to Prop 13, Prop 218, and the Gann Limit, all of which starve our public resources and prevent duly-elected Democrats from enacting the overwhelming will of the people.

These talking points are all lies, especially Prop 13. Look at the home prices and the home sales, all of which are getting sold at ridiculously high prices. The turnover is huge across the state. Demand for housing is still strong despite the interest rates, despite your Prop 13 BS.

What Prop 13 does is stop retired families from being forced to move out. The retired families in my neighborhood would have to pay $4000+/month in property tax. What will it be in 2030 or 2040? The only thing keeping things sane are things like Prop 13.

And don't forget, Pelosi, in all her glory, was trying to add back in the SALT tax exceptions to the Biden bills earlier this year. Why would she do that except to reward all her rich donors in CA?

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Post by raldi »

baskethead wrote: post #218
raldi wrote: post #189

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Republicans have a hammerlock over California to this day, thanks to Prop 13, Prop 218, and the Gann Limit, all of which starve our public resources and prevent duly-elected Democrats from enacting the overwhelming will of the people.

These talking points are all lies, especially Prop 13. Look at the home prices and the home sales, all of which are getting sold at ridiculously high prices. The turnover is huge across the state. Demand for housing is still strong despite the interest rates, despite your Prop 13 BS. What Prop 13 does is stop retired families from being forced to move out. The retired families in my neighborhood would have to pay $40…

Without Prop 13, homeowners would support the construction of multifamily housing in their communities, and that would keep property taxes low for everybody (not just dynastic families) and home prices affordable. Just like things were before Prop 13.

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Post by taeric »

csdreamer7 wrote: post #215
taeric wrote: post #121

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I'm not sure this fully tracks. A type of public transit failed in California that succeeded elsewhere. If that is the reference, why can't I point to the tech industry and use it as positive evidence? And, most of the bad things you are bringing up are happening all throughout the US. Just feels too convenient to say that the tech industry is in spite of the government, but the failures are because of it.

> I'm not sure this fully tracks. A type of public transit failed in California that succeeded elsewhere. If that is the reference, why can't I point to the tech industry and use it as positive evidence? You asked for an example of another government doing better. I gave you a recent one by California's government. Japan is perhaps the best one, but many other countries do trains a lot better than California despite…

Ah, apologies. This will be a goal post shift, from the question I asked. What I meant was specifically one that does better at the things California is good at.

Think of it as me asking if a tennis player is training well. You want to compare to other tennis players, not cyclists.

You may be able to get some cross learning, of course. But I'm specifically questioning if California's successes are in spite of government. Not if their failures are because of it. These are two questions and it is not clear to me that they would have the same answer.

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