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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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I only get relevant results such as "Does DHL deliver to North Korea?" and "DHL establishes operation in North Korea". Do you have a better example actually illustrating this?

This time it returned relevant result for me too, I recall getting annoyed by it some time ago so maybe its not relevant example anymore. Anyway, it happens all the time. Goole assumes that I mean something and I need to quote words trying to enforce my query. Pretty much every time when the returned results don't include the words I typed is a frustration for me. It makes it very hard to fix the query because I need…

This seems somewhat natural, at least to me.

Imagine you're talking to your friend, and you say the exact same thing you tell Google: "North Korea DHL". They're not going to have any idea what you're talking about (they can guess) - do you want to ship something there? Are you making a comment/observation? A business opportunity? Your friend would probably ask clarifying questions to narrow down what you're talking about, or you would be more specific upfront.

Computers don't magically read your mind nor they know your intent. Adding quotes to search and other 'advanced' techniques are the equivalent of adding context to a conversation.

Personally I have rarely experienced what you have, and when I do it's usually for specific international queries (like searching for a Belgian slang word from Google US) which isn't an issue if you use the correct locale/language for what you're searching for. Obviously it's not perfect, I'm just surprised by your anecdote in the absence of a real example.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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I thought Yandex also used Bing for image search? Ya when I do image search in Yandex at the bottom it says Search: Bing Google

I think they stopped doing it long time ago (and I cannot see these links now), but if my memory serves me well basically these links were taking you to Google and Bing with the same query, respectively. I.e. they were directly linking to competitors, just in case your original search at Yandex was not satisfactory.

Oh, possible, they weirdly disappear as I scroll down and don't have time to click them.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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What Mozilla is doing now with Firefox should be taught in business schools as an example how to destroy a brand.

Can someone fill me in?

Hostility towards users asking questions as seen in the tabstrip API bug. (A really simple thing that I fix on a weekly basis in 4 minutes every time I restart Firefox but somehow next to impossible for Mozilla. Although I should admit they are making it harder and harder for me as well.)

Pushing Pocket (which is nice and could have become a nice source of income from users like me who wants to support the browser) in a dishonest way and as a built in part of Firefox instead of an extension that people could remove, saying there were no ties when there definitely was.

Almost scaring the crap out of a number of the more careful ones of us when they installed a "I, Robot extension" or something without any warning.

Milking the browser part of the system dry to fund its "mission", then laying off browser engineers and the Rust team to save money.

Pretending to be a community when fundraising, but a dictator when making decisions.

Misleading people to think they suppprt Firefox when they donate to the foundation, then sending nothing to the browser and burning it all on "its mission".

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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I'm actually tempted to start using Brave. I'm still holding out with Firefox despite Mozilla trying very hard to get rid of us (to the point where the thought has struck me more than once if the current CEO of Mozilla is in the pocket of Google). If at some point the last competing mainstream browser engine is gone I'll probably go for Brave and I might start testing it this week.

>to the point where the thought has struck me more than once if the current CEO of Mozilla is in the pocket of Google

No need to wonder. Mozilla gets $450M per year from Google [0], and the Mozilla Chair gets a large chunk [1]:

[0]: https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-goo...

[1]: https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Google used to be good at one point in time. Now its search results aren't very relevant, it returns what it thinks it should interest you, not what you've actually searched for. It doesn't matter if you do a verbatim search, it will still try to be smart and use alternative terms.

Definitely agree. My experience with Google lately is like this:

- I search for keywords A B C D - I get 4 irrelevant text ads - First result is relevant and contains all keywords - "Other related searches" - Then a list of results than omit A, B, C or D ("include A?"), or even omit multiple keywords, removing any sense in the query

And the whole time I feel like I'm being pushed around to buy something. It's becoming unbearable. I'm pretty sure Google is optimizing for more ad impressions at this point to burn through adsense credits asap...

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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I can imagine it was also a handy tool to DoS a site.

That's a good point. I guess bad actors (exactly the same ones that publish those shit-sites) can abuse it to block the actual sites.

Not a problem as long as it only affects the user themself?

My guess is some ux head exploded when they realized someone might blacklist a site they wanted. Or maybe the one who made it got promoted and no one stepped up to maintain it?

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Between Google and Brave I prefer using Brave, but am I the only one bothered that this move is an abuse of power of a company that has both a browser and a search engine? We all know where this leads to.

On new android devices in Europe, google was forced to let users select their preferred search engine from a randomized list of the 5-6 most popular options in that country. This could definitely come to browsers at some point. But then it's probably a death sentence to Firefox who needs to set Google as its search provider to survive.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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I'm actually tempted to start using Brave. I'm still holding out with Firefox despite Mozilla trying very hard to get rid of us (to the point where the thought has struck me more than once if the current CEO of Mozilla is in the pocket of Google). If at some point the last competing mainstream browser engine is gone I'll probably go for Brave and I might start testing it this week.

In the real world, Firefox is already dead and the only real competing browser engine is Webkit/Safari.

Firefox's market share is 3.6% and on mobile only 0.5%. On many websites, mobile traffic is now at about 70%. Firefox doesn't even show up in dashboards, and is smaller than various Chromium clones and/or regional browsers.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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What I hate about Brave Search is that their bot disguises as a regular user and they don't publish the IP addresses of their bot. You can't target it through robots.txt and you'll never know if you've blocked one of their IP's by mistake.

Brave calls this a privacy feature. My ass.

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