Semi-related:
"The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28606962
Probably a better option for many people's next purchase (when they add Ryzen models anyway! ;>)
Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#212Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…
> I know what laptop I'm getting next. And it won't be a dell.
Tell me about these greener pastures!
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#213Semi-related: "The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28606962 Probably a better option for many people's next purchase (when they add Ryzen models anyway! ;>)
I don't see how this is related other than it also being a laptop.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#214Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…
Dells were the only laptops I ever encountered that you could bend. It’s amazing anyone other then starving college kids ever used them.
Older Siemens-Fujitsu ones did, too. Consumer grade ones, so. The main reason I went to the "professional" ones over a decade ago. Hell, who doesn't carry around his open laptop on one corner from time to time?
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#215Oh, come on, sleep and hibernation are the "shut down" of a laptop nowadays, you close the lid and shove it into the bag. Its just as absurd as saying you cant put the phone in your pocket unless you fully turn it off.
You’re not really supposed to bring a phone that close to your skin, otherwise you might exceed safe radiation levels.
That is simple not how non-ionizing radiation works.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#216I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…
I just can't understand how people put up with not being able to control what they primary machines are doing. For that reason my primary work machine can currently only be Linux. I have Windows, but this one is only for stuff that is incompatible with Linux. I actually have Linux PC and a separate Linux laptop (Thinkpad T440s). That laptop runs super cool once I debugged all the sources of power usage. Which is quit…
Agreed. Every time I tried windows it was the same set of frustrating behaviors. Linux helps but needs some tinkering. My first step on a new laptop would be to wipe clean and install Linux.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "some reason that I don't agree with[0]" On my side I am quite happy that the hardware+software can support some kind of fast wake-up (similar to Macbooks and smartphones instead of needing >10 seconds to wake up when I open the lid). I just do a real shutdown when I don't need the laptop anymore. And precisely : as it was said by someone else above, on modern computers with SSDs, I would rather disable "fast start…
The value of fast wakeup is real. But manufacturers and OS vendors need to actually get their act together and implement this, not fake it in a way that passes reviews but is actually damaging to hardware in the real world.
Exactly. It's entirely possible to implement fast wakeups, but it requires thoughtful design. Smartphone go to sleep opportunistically whenever you shutdown the screen. Even an Intel CPU could probably do this in less than 500ms (and that is a boatload of cycles).
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#218Improper storage is a perfectly reasonable reason to void a warranty. This is accidental damage, and Dell sells a separate plan for that.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regarding the problem discussed in the article, the Dell could easily cost $3,000, and the problem would not exist a $1000 MacBook, even an Intel one. In this case, I think it’s Apple’s proper prioritization of features. Probably also that Apple is able to do this because they don’t have to work on dozens of different models at the same time. It’s amazing to me that no major PC manufacturers have really done this yet…
The problem discussed in the article happens for MacBooks too
Source? I've been putting my 2017 MBP in a bag daily for 4+ years now and never had this issue.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.
Apple laptops have their own problems, like delivering mild electric shocks from their exposed-metal cases. Unfortunately the trend of copying Apple has lead to other manufacturers having exposed-metal cases, and inheriting this flaw.
I had an electrical engineer tell me this was more or less inevitable. I thought that sounded very strange.