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Some of the jobs look pretty cool, can you share what is the salary range to be expected? The website is silent about that, which in Europe almost always means underwhelming numbers.
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ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
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Re: ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
#212A few highlights from a conversation with a friend who works for Zeiss and regularly deals with ASML (take this with a grain of salt, I may have misunderstood some of it and he also may not be an expert in all of these areas): - The lenses (actually mirrors for EUV) only demagnify by a factor of 4. So your wafer template is already extremely small and costs millions to produce. - 13.5nm is pretty much the smallest wa…
> - Also in the thread, ASML has a monopoly on this tech. Others have not invested into EUV and by now, it's pretty much impossible for anybody to catch up. Having basically the entire tech economy relying on one unique supplier is just insane. I hope their production facilities are very well protected and decentralised otherwise one natural disaster in the Netherlands or an Unabomber type terrorist attack and the se…
Re: ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
#213Re: ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of the jobs look pretty cool, can you share what is the salary range to be expected? The website is silent about that, which in Europe almost always means underwhelming numbers.
I am a contractor who works for them, but have lots of friends working as direct employee. (Netherlands, software engineer mostly) They pay you 12+1 salaries (1=you get half of your salary as bonus 2 times per year, as vacation bonus). You get 40 days of vacation (Netherlands has 25 days of vacation standard, %99 of companies)so people are very relaxed. ASML is able relocate you from another country, moving all your…
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Schott (glass) / Zeiss (lens) combo is extremely important in a lot of industries. Most people probably heard about them through photography or spectacles.
I'm guessing, though not 100% certain, that EUV uses mirrors and not lenses, although still could be based on glass substrates.
There is an introductory PDF presentation from Zeiss about their product for EUVs: https://www.euvlitho.com/2019/P24.pdf
Re: ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
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ASML makes the machines that make the chips. They can do their own runs of whatever chips they need, because they have to fully test the multi-million dollar machines before they disassemble them and ship them out.
That's not how it works. The light source and steppers are important, yes, but there's much more to a fab. Think of all the chemistry, for one thing. What you claim is basically like saying a robotics company could just build their own trucks, because the truck companies use their robots for the truck factories.
So, yes — they do have their own fabs in house. They built them.
Disclaimer: I worked a 6 month contract for ASML in Eindhoven, and I talked extensively with their engineers. They told me what they did as part of their testing process.
Re: ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not how it works. The light source and steppers are important, yes, but there's much more to a fab. Think of all the chemistry, for one thing. What you claim is basically like saying a robotics company could just build their own trucks, because the truck companies use their robots for the truck factories.
They have to fully and completely test out the machines before they ship them out. So, yes — they do have their own fabs in house. They built them. Disclaimer: I worked a 6 month contract for ASML in Eindhoven, and I talked extensively with their engineers. They told me what they did as part of their testing process.
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> - Also in the thread, ASML has a monopoly on this tech. Others have not invested into EUV and by now, it's pretty much impossible for anybody to catch up. Having basically the entire tech economy relying on one unique supplier is just insane. I hope their production facilities are very well protected and decentralised otherwise one natural disaster in the Netherlands or an Unabomber type terrorist attack and the se…
Except I'd imagine that most people won't feel the terrorist attack quite so quickly, giving folks likely enough time to recover. If they got bombed up, all the foundries would be fine and can continue production of chips as usual. Of course, the machinery need sophisticated maintenance and replacement parts, but most of those can be produced by non specialist equipment (like normal mills and lathes and stuff for all…
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#219It's the reason Phillips (and many other great Dutch companies) has become an innovative shadow of what it used to be.
The US seems to have a better understanding how great engineering happens when talented engineers are running the show.
Re: ASML, a $300B Dutch firm, makes the machines that make semiconductors
#220This makes me wonder, why don't they produce semiconductors themselves instead of selling the machines to produce them?
I imagine its a bit like selling pickaxes in a mining boom