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> How is it racist to offer something as a business, it's not like it's a government or other public project I've seen people suggest that censorship is only censorship if the government does it, but suggesting that racism is only racism when the government does it too is a first.

> but suggesting that racism is only racism when the government does it too is a first. I think you've misunderstood this post. This is less like a "white's only" restaurant, and more like an Italian food restaurant. It's supporting a cultural niche, not excluding another.

Now I’m European, so maybe I’m not in the right cultural mindset for this, but your comparison really highlights what is problematic for me: based on someone’s skin colour you are determining their culture/heritage. What does a Nigerian have in common with a Jamaican, apart from the melatonin in their skin? Why would they have similar tastes in media?

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> imagine the outrage if someone had made “X for white people”. There’d be riots in streets. The difference between majority and minority is surely not that difficult to comprehend from outside the US?

They are only a “minority” because someone decided to come up with a way (race) to divide people into groups where one group is bound to end up smaller, and somehow claim that division is of significant importance. IMO the solution to that problem is definitely not to reinforce that division.

"someone decided to come up with a way (race) to divide people into groups where one group is bound"

So close, and yet so far.

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> It’s not the “melting pot” idea of America that I was raised with, where everyone contributes their own unique culture to a unified American whole. Then I don't understand why your response to someone trying to create a platform to express their culture strikes you as "Fracturing."

Because it’s encouraging separatism. I would much rather have a startup that promotes black creators to the broader culture than one exclusionary by design. Looking at top musicians, artists, and other cultural figures, it seems to me like this is already largely the case. Hip hop sales come in large part from white people. I want more of this cultural sharing, not isolationism.

I didn't really see anything in the design I saw as exclusionary!

> because we appreciate the HN community taking time to hear our story, for a short period of time, we’re making some of our original black TV shows available for free on our site

Like thousands of business before them they're marketing to an audience but it seems like they're more than happy to build a broader audience.

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My only problem with marketing "X for black people" is that marketing "X for white people" isn't socially acceptable.

What does "X for white people" look like though? The only reason that "X for black people" exists is that black people are a minority group and aren't sufficiently catered to by X, which is already more or less "X for white people" by default, at least in the US and much of Europe. As such, any product that that markets itself explicitly to white people (again, only referencing the US and Europe here) is much more li…

> What does "X for white people" look like though?

Totally hypothetical example... "NBA for white people" - basically majority-white professional basketball teams playing each other. I'm sure that would ignite a firestorm if someone tried to do that.

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> It’s not the “melting pot” idea of America that I was raised with, where everyone contributes their own unique culture to a unified American whole. Then I don't understand why your response to someone trying to create a platform to express their culture strikes you as "Fracturing."

Because it’s encouraging separatism. I would much rather have a startup that promotes black creators to the broader culture than one exclusionary by design. Looking at top musicians, artists, and other cultural figures, it seems to me like this is already largely the case. Hip hop sales come in large part from white people. I want more of this cultural sharing, not isolationism.

It's not cultural sharing now, it's appropriation. See also the endless monologues about dreadlocks.

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I don't know what country you're from but if you don't think there are subcultures in your country under-represented by the dominant media I'd assert you're almost definitely wrong. Perhaps it feels a little strange from the outside that such a subculture is definitively "black" but yeah, that's basically how things are in the US. The country has a deep history of racism and black people being literal slaves, in that…

It depends on where parent is from. There are a lot of relatively monolithic countries from an ethnic perspective. To the broader point, I think what Uzo is talking about is "representation." Which doesn't just mean "some type of person on the screen." It means the full diversity of experiences and aspirations of that type of person... on the screen. Living Single isn't Friends with African Americans. It's African Am…

For what it's worth, the "homogenized" also means that the "white people TV shows" don't represent white people but rather a sort of lowest-common-denominator that can appeal broadly but not accurately represent anyone including white folks (except perhaps some SoCal types). They happened to feature white actors/actresses, but recent efforts to diversify casts haven't manifested in an improvement in quality.

Re: Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people

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I feel like this encourages a divide.

There is no inherent divide. If this was marketed as only for Black people, other races are not welcome to watch, sure. If this company was vocally against Netflix and demanding Black people watch this instead, sure. As far as I can see neither of these are true - this is a service aimed at delivering a certain type of content.

Does the existence of ESPN encourage a divide between those who like sports and those that don't? Do Spanish-language channels encourage a divide between people who speak Spanish and those that don't?

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My only problem with marketing "X for black people" is that marketing "X for white people" isn't socially acceptable.

The reason for that, in the US at least, is that "for white people" is implied by default. Everything is always for white people. So when you go and spell it out explicitly, "X for white people" ends up having a connotation of "X for white people only ."

Does "X for kids" imply only for kids?

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The concept of “white” is a consequence of the melting pot idea. I had hoped that eventually we could expand from White/European American to just American, a broad identity not based on race at all. This would have solved the injustices of the past and built a more cohesive American identity. Instead we seem to be going backwards. 2050 New York City might look more like 1900 than 2000.

The concept of "white" is not a consequence of the melting pot idea. The concept of "white" was explicitly born as a way to justify enslaving and treating a group of people as property for generations. If one wants to solve the injustices of the past, its important to actually acknowledge the reality of those injustices and how they feed into modern day. The "melting pot" theory I suspect was always a form of injusti…

Most “white” people in America today were not considered so 100-150 years ago. Irish, Slavs, Eastern Europeans, Italians, Jews, Levantine Arabs, and pretty much everyone other than English, Germans and French.

My point is that this identity was expanded to be inclusive in order to build social cohesion. That was a good thing, but now let’s rename it to just “American” and include all ethnic groups, instead of going backwards.

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