NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

Post by alecst » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #152

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

That's not the only reasons people wouldn't want to take the vaccine. For instance lots of people already had covid (particularly in NYC), and developed a natural immunity, which from the low reinfection rate, seems to be rock solid. It doesn't make a lot of sense to require that population to take a vaccine. As for the vaccine being more or less dangerous than the virus, I think for any population over 40 or in poor…

Post by rubyist5eva » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #124

polote wrote: post #25

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This measure can't be a way to create "zero covid spaces" because people who are vaccinated can still transmit the virus (even though less than unvaccinated people, but it doesnt seem to be a 90% reduction either). So the goal here is to increase the vaccination rate. It seems pretty weird to ask the indoor business owners to be the ones who are in charge of controlling that the vaccination rate is increasing and to…

> It seems pretty weird to ask the indoor business owners to be the ones who are in charge of controlling that the vaccination rate is increasing and to be the one who are punished because the vaccination rate is not high enough. If their businesses are spreading the disease then it seems entirely reasonable.

Post by usaar333 » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:18 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #103

polote wrote: post #25

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This measure can't be a way to create "zero covid spaces" because people who are vaccinated can still transmit the virus (even though less than unvaccinated people, but it doesnt seem to be a 90% reduction either). So the goal here is to increase the vaccination rate. It seems pretty weird to ask the indoor business owners to be the ones who are in charge of controlling that the vaccination rate is increasing and to…

> the goal here is to increase the vaccination rate The goal is to avoid overloading the hospital system. Vaccinated people spreading the Delta variant amongst each other is not going to do that. Unvaccinated people getting sick will.

Post by bobthechef » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

JoshTko wrote: post #201

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I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

A high vaccination rate is most beneficial for poor and minority populations as they are by far the most exposed to the virus via work.

Post by JohnWhigham » Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 7:20 PM UTC

jjgreen wrote: post #3

> The program is modeled after the vaccine passport programs rolled out in France ... which resulted in riots https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210731-france-sees-thir...