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Post by tootie »

desine wrote: post #145
tootie wrote: post #121

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AFAIK they do allow enforcement of criminal warrants for anything violent. They also don't and can't prevent federal agents from doing anything. They just don't actively cooperate or enforce immigration law with their own police. Also worth noting that they adopted sanctuary status in 1989 which preceded their massive rise in prosperity. It seems unlikely to be a factor in problems of the last 5 years.

News article: https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/19/san-francisco-not-coopera... The city has a "rapid response" hotline you can call if you see any ICE agents in the city. I'm not sure what their response is. But they definitely don't work with the agency

That headline is exactly what I said. SFPD will not enforce federal warrants for simple immigration violations.

They absolutely will enforce warrants for serious crimes. Nor will they prevent federal agents from operating in the city. The rapid response hotline is a private non-profit and not run by the city.

I suggest not relying on conservative propaganda outlets like Daily Caller for your information.

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Post by bingidingi »

jboy55 wrote: post #130
bingidingi wrote: post #36

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this also happens in other major cities like NYC, Boston, etc… most of the local homeless are from small cities and towns and go to the city because they hear it’s better… and it is, because many small cities have next to no services for them if you spread out the homeless proportionately to the population of the country it becomes a much more manageable problem

The small towns literally bus or have the police drop off homeless into big cities so they don't have to pay for it. In Santa Cruz, there are tonnes of homeless. 10 miles away in Scotts Valley there are no visible homeless, that's because Scotts valley PD picks up homeless and drops them off in Santa Cruz.

and of course conservatives ignore this entirely and blame these cities for creating homeless problems… quite a scheme

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Post by manigandham »

chrisseaton wrote: post #206
manigandham wrote: post #202

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Why stop at a red light or stay in your lane then if there's no other traffic? The rules are in place to keep order and avoid surprises. Sure you can safely cross the street but that doesn't negate the point of the law. The UK has a much smaller population with more public transit, and the cities like London are so densely packed with slow-moving traffic that it's unlikely to lead to deaths. Comparing metrics without…

Because cars are dangerous and need to be controlled for safety. A human being walking around and crossing with some basic looking both ways is not a danger to anyone.

Do you also agree that "A human being driving around and crossing a red light with some basic looking both ways is not a danger to anyone."?

Cars are driven by people, so it's humans in cars vs humans on foot. Both can create danger to each other. Just because you can safely do something doesn't override the reason and spirit of the law.

Jaywalking is a tiny niche of a massive amount of rules that govern how we interact with each other safely. You're really not going to have a problem jaywalking unless you do it unsafely in the first place, and if you do then there's liability and enforcement ready to apply.

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Post by tolbish »

aksss wrote: post #200
underseacables wrote: post #6

This is interesting given the protests. As I understand it, San Francisco is generally considered to be a very liberal and progressive city. The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it. You can want both police reform, and policing, but without the police there’s not really anyone capable, trained, or j…

What don’t you get? Policy makers are out over their skis believing in a utopia that runs contrary to human nature and economics. They can’t admit the physics of the problem so just keep insisting they haven’t gone far enough . Graft creeps in as it always does, corrupting the machinery that (even generously) may have originally been born with the best of intentions. Everyone is afraid of being labeled as intolerant…

> to say this isn’t working and needs radical correction to enforce some social norms and define acceptable behavior under penalty of imprisonment, labor, or some undesirable consequence for the offender

We should really be focusing on the underlying mental health issues rather than resorting to a base desire to crack skulls. One such example is opening up (humane) mental health institutions. For people who are out of their gourd but aren't your typical criminal case, these mental health institutions would exist for these people to go if they consistently prove to be a danger to themselves and/or others.

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Post by desine »

tootie wrote: post #211
desine wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News article: https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/19/san-francisco-not-coopera... The city has a "rapid response" hotline you can call if you see any ICE agents in the city. I'm not sure what their response is. But they definitely don't work with the agency

That headline is exactly what I said. SFPD will not enforce federal warrants for simple immigration violations. They absolutely will enforce warrants for serious crimes. Nor will they prevent federal agents from operating in the city. The rapid response hotline is a private non-profit and not run by the city. I suggest not relying on conservative propaganda outlets like Daily Caller for your information.

Quote from the article:

>Namely, his department will not honor immigration detainers lodged by federal agents. If an illegal alien in San Francisco is placed into local custody for an unrelated crime, and ICE asks that the individual be transferred into the agency’s custody, that request will simply be ignored.

I am saying they will not deport violent criminals who are also here illegally. The article supports my statement. Combined with SF's lenient catch and release programs, this by default means they're allowing violent criminals to stay in the area, even when they have the federal resources to make the population safer.

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Post by chrisseaton »

manigandham wrote: post #213
chrisseaton wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because cars are dangerous and need to be controlled for safety. A human being walking around and crossing with some basic looking both ways is not a danger to anyone.

Do you also agree that "A human being driving around and crossing a red light with some basic looking both ways is not a danger to anyone."? Cars are driven by people, so it's humans in cars vs humans on foot. Both can create danger to each other. Just because you can safely do something doesn't override the reason and spirit of the law. Jaywalking is a tiny niche of a massive amount of rules that govern how we inter…

> Do you also agree that "A human being driving around and crossing a red light with some basic looking both ways is not a danger to anyone."?

No.

> Both can create danger to each other.

Absolute nonsense.

The person on foot is no danger to anyone. For example, two people on foot are no danger to each other. It's only when you add a car that there's any danger at all. The entire cause of any danger whatsoever is the car. Therefore it's the car's responsibility to keep things safe and to keep out of people's way.

(Of course if the car isn't given reasonable opportunity to stop then that's the pedestrian's fault - there's always a reasonableness test.)

Basically if a human being wants to cross then of course cars should stop for them, no matter if there's a crossing or not.

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Post by [deleted] »

IncRnd wrote: post #192
jboy55 wrote: post #125

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People from other countries do not get welfare in the USA. that is a myth. The problem with 'SF' is people flocking from conservative areas in the US that have solved their homeless problem by literally bussing people to SF. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...

> People from other countries do not get welfare in the USA. that is a myth. Why do you say it is a myth? "63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs Compared to 35% of native households" https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfa...

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Post by jboy55 »

desine wrote: post #164
jboy55 wrote: post #144

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I think that's a dog whistle, but please enumerate them.

>I think that's a dog whistle By today's standards? Yeah, it probably is. I don't even care anymore though. Homogenous societies have fewer problems of inequality, less crime, more social cohesion. We've known this since Aristotle in Greece, since Marcus Aurelias in Rome, and probably with some other writers I can't think of in between then and now. It's not a statement of any one group being better than another. It'…

"It's not a statement of any one group being better than another. It's not a statement that I don't enjoy many aspects of our diverse society."

If you are coming clean, then please continue, what groups are you talking about? And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'?

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Post by astura »

pope_meat wrote: post #177
justshowpost wrote: post #172

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Urination damages someone's property, either private or municipal. BTW, it appears what SanFran's sanctuary status pays off – there is steadily growing number of open defecation cases https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/City-plans-to-power-was...

If that's the case our cities should have fallen apart by now from just the dogs alone.

I mean... Urine has destroyed light posts, before, even in SF.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/City-lamp-post-falls-...

>“We believe there was some contribution of dog or human urine on the base of the pole,” PUC spokesman Tyrone Jue said. “It has actually been an issue for us in the past. We encourage people and dogs alike to do their business in other places, like a proper restroom or one of our fire hydrants, which are stronger and made out of cast iron.” Urine accelerates the corrosion of the metal base of street poles, he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/derbyshire/293874...

>The six month monitoring survey is costing Derbyshire County Council £75,000. It was commissioned after a report found that years of exposure to the highly acidic urine from dogs can cause the base of the posts to crumple away.

>It is part of a national campaign after someone died when a light collapsed.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by desine »

jboy55 wrote: post #218
desine wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think that's a dog whistle By today's standards? Yeah, it probably is. I don't even care anymore though. Homogenous societies have fewer problems of inequality, less crime, more social cohesion. We've known this since Aristotle in Greece, since Marcus Aurelias in Rome, and probably with some other writers I can't think of in between then and now. It's not a statement of any one group being better than another. It'…

"It's not a statement of any one group being better than another. It's not a statement that I don't enjoy many aspects of our diverse society." If you are coming clean, then please continue, what groups are you talking about? And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'?

> what groups are you talking about?

Any divide you wish to draw, I'm not drawing them. SF is more diverse than Krakow when you account for race, place of birth, religion, sexuality/gender identity.

>And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'?

A diverse population has less homogeneity.

Keep fishing, but get better bait.

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